[humanbydefault]

THE ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY OF RESEARCHERS IN THE FIELD OF PHYSICS AND COSMOLOGISTS HAS ASKED THEMSELVES THE SAME QUESTION FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY:

>>>>>> "WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED DURING THE VERY FIRST MOMENTS FOLLOWING "THE BANG!..."?

>>>>>> WHY IS IT THAT ALL OUR EQUATIONS AND METHEMATICS FAIL TO EXPLAIN THOSE INITIAL INSTANTS AFTER THE EVENT?


I'm not that old to have witness the phenomenon, but I think I have a pretty convincing argument... more like a logical hypothesis...and based on my theory about matter.... to answer both questions.

BEFORE I BEGIN WITH THE ACTUAL EXPLOSION, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DEFINE SOME CONCEPTS WE'LL NEED TO DESCRIBE WHAT WAS "ON THE TABLE" AND WHAT WASN'T (!)

MANY OF US HAVE, AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIVES, THE "CHANCE" TO WATCH INTERESTING AND INGENIOUS COMPUTER ANIMATIONS ABOUT "HOW THAT BEGINNING COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IF WE WERE THERE TO SEE IT..." I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE THEM NOR TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL IMAGE ON THE EVENT THAT TOOK PLACE EVEN BEFORE THE BIRTH WHAT WE CONSIDER TODAY AS THE UNIVERSE... IT WOULD BE VERY FOOLISH AND IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

LET'S BEGIN WITH WHAT I SUPPOSE EVERY ONE HERE MUST AGREE ON:

1>>> AS EVERY COMMON EXPLOSION, THIS ONE WAS NO DIFFERENT: ENERGY EXPANDED IN ALL DIRECTION FROM A CENTER OR CORE DISPLAYING A FAIRLY STRAIGH PATH OUTWARD.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT I WANT YOU TO ANALYZE... IF YOU ARE HERE WITH ME IN THIS READINGS. NO DOUBTS THAT IF THAT POWERFUL ENERGY REACHED A CRITICAL POINT IN WHICH BURST IN ALL DIRECTIONS:

>>>> DURING THE FIRST BILLIONTH OF THE VERY FIRST SECOND [ACCORDING TO OUR HUMAN-CONCEIVED CONCEPT OF "TIME"...] AT NO TIME WAS A SPINNING PROCESS OF ANY KIND POSSIBLE IN THE RECENTLY BORNE "COSMOS."

ENERGY FLEW IN A STRAIGH PATH OUTWARD AND, GIVEN THE POWER AND INTENSITY OF THE EXPLOSION, SPIN COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A POSSIBLE PHYSICAL EVENT UNTIL MUCH MORE LATER ON (!)

THAT SIMPLE HYPOTHETICAL "FACT" ONLY FUNDAMENTED BY HUMAN LOGIC [I MAY ADD...] IS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION THE KEY TO UNDERSTAND WHY PHYSICS BRAKES DOWN (DURING THOSE FIRST MOMENTS OF THE GENESIS) WITHOUT ANY AVAILABLE HELP!!!

THINK ABOUT IT! NO EATHER! NO MATTER SINCE THERE WAS NO SPIN, NO INTERFERENCE YET BETWEEN THOSE PRIMARY SPEKS OF ENERGY, AND NO ENTROPY IN THE REAL SENSE!!!

OUR EQUATIONS INCLUDE THE CLASSICAL AND CONVENTIONAL CONCEPTS OF "TIME", "MASS", "MATTER", "SPACE" AND [ALTHOUGH NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED YET BY EVERY ONE] "EATHER." (!)

OUR UNIVERSE, THE ONE WE OBSERVE IN OUR TELESCOPES IS THE DIRECT RESULT OF A COMPLEX STRUCTURE OF SPINNING BODIES OF ALL SIZES AND COLORS. GALAXIES, STARS, CLUSTERS OF GALAXIES AND BILLION OF PLANETARY BODIES INCLUDING THEIR MOONS AND ASTEROIDS AND METEORITES... ALL OF THEM "PLAYING" SOME SORT OF "MERRY-GO-ROUND" GAME AROUND THEIR OWN CENTER.
MY THEORY ABOUT THE ATOM ITSELF IS NOT CONCEIVABLE WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF STANDING WAVES ... WHICH IN FACT IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF SPINNING PATTERN IN ITS NATURE.

THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE WAS MISSING A BUNCH OF FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICAL LAWS AND ENTITIES RULED BY THOSE LAWS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T EVEN THERE WHEN THAT HAPPEN!!!
THE EXPANSION HAD TO SLOW DOWN ITS SPEED IN ORDER FOR THOSE CUMULES OF ENERGY TO SETTLE DOWN AND START INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED IN THE CORE OF EVERY ATOM.

MATTER WAS BROUGHT INTO THE "UNIVERSAL REALITY EQUATION" LONG AFTER THOSE FIRST EMANATION OF ENERGY HAD "THE OPPORTUNITY" TO STAY CLOSER ENOUGH TO "FEEL" THE PULL TOWARD EACH OTHER. THE ATTRACTION I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE "CASIMIR EFFECT" AND ITS SIMILARITIES IN ITS BASIC PHYSICAL PRINCIPLES COULDN'T BE POSSIBLE UNLESS THE FIRST INTERFERENCE TOOK PLACE.... IN OTHER WORDS, NOT UNTIL THE FIRST STANDING WAVE APPEARED IN THE NEWLY BORNE UNIVERSE, THE NEEDED ATTRACTION BETWEEN THE FIRST COMPONENTS OF THE FUTURE STARS AND FIRST ATOMS WAS NOT READY TO EXIST YET.

WITH THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF THE VERY FIRST "STANDING WAVE" PHENOMENON [THE FIRST ATTEMPT FOR SURVIVAL] ENTROPY ACQUIRED A NEW MEANING.

I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THE FIRST STANDING WAVE EVENT IN OUR UNIVERSE AS THE FIRST CRY OF A NEWLY BORNE "BABY." NOT UNTIL THE VERY FIRST CRY THE DOCTOR COULDN'T BE ENTIRELY SURE ABOUT A SUCCESFUL DELIVERY OF THE NEW LIFE.

BEFORE THE UNIVERSE'S "FIRST CRY" THERE WAS NO "LIFE" TO ACCOUNT FOR!!! TIME AS THE HUMAN WAY OF MEASURING THE ENTROPY OF THE UNIVERSE HAD NO MEANNINGFUL MEANNING AT ALL. ENTROPY BEGUN WITH THE FIRST STANDING WAVE AND THE FIRST SIGN OF ENERGY TO SAVE ITS OWN INSIDE "THE PERFECT SOLUTION."

AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE.. IT WAS NO OTHER CHOICE AND IT COULDN'T BE PREVENTED EITHER!!!

DID YOU KNOW THAT EINSTEIN USED TO ASK HIMSELF MANY TIMES THE SAME THING?

"WAS THERE ANY OTHER CHOICE FOR THIS UNIVERSE BUT TO EXIST...?" I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER TO HIS ETERNAL QUESTION:

"THERE WAS'NT ANY!" EVEN IF WE WOULD TO START ALL OVER AGAIN... WITH THE FIRST "CRY" AND THE BIRTH OF MASS, TIME AND EVENTUALLY MATTER THE UNIVERSE WOULD GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS OF DEVELOPEMENT WITH OTHER SHAPE, OTHER LIFE SPECIES, OTHER COSMOLOGICAL CHARTS BUT NEVER EVER WITHOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING:

ITS INNATE [INHERENT] ABILITY TO "SURVIVE" DISSIPATION [DESTRUCTION AND DEATH]... THE REPETITION OF THE "PERFECT SOLUTION" OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

I HOPE I DIDN'T BORED YOU WITH MY THOUGHTS IN THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT... FOR ME [AT LEAST] THERE IS NO MEANNING TO SPEAK ABOUT MATTER, MASS OR EVEN TIME DURING THOSE MOMENTS BEFORE THE FIRST "CRY." THERE WAS NO "LIFE" IN THE BABY YET AND THEREFORE OUR EQUATIONS, NUMBERS AND CONCEPTS WERE SIMPLY IRRELEVANT THEN AS THEY WILL BE... THE NEXT TIME.


HUMANBYDEFAULT

[theunify]

You hold a common point of veiw one that could be a lot more optimistic.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you HBD for a most thoughtful thread starter,I can go along withmuch of what you say,although prehaps see its arising and expulsion a little differently.

The first cry of the universe is an excellent title,and catches the eye,I like that HBD,for
me though,I think that for any infant to "cry" even if that "infant" is a universe,like a child
born on earth,it needs parents??What do you think my friend?



regards michael.

[humanbydefault]

Two interesting comments and they deserve two serious answers... allow me to respond them along with my best regards and gratitude:


>>>>>> OPTIMISM? Optimism, my dear friend, is I R R E L E V A N T! You are asking me to present [what I consider FACTS in the deepest corner of my soul] a more... "happy" story? ...Perhaps one with a happy ending? I don't think so... but thanks anyway for your short comment...

>>>>>> My old and dear friend mike. Parents are needed among biological life, you know as well as I know that our universe is much more complex than a simple biological entity and therefore my "hypothetical analogy" was just a symbolic resemblance to a more familiar aspect of our biological existence.

HOWEVER there is a great deal of resemblance between the physical characteristics of what occured during the so-called "Big-Bang" and a bunch of worrying and controversial experimental observation in out best "Particle accelerators" today... Don't miss my next post on the subject either.


HUMANBYDEFAULT >>>> www.humanbydefault.com

[humanbydefault]

I have a very intersting quote [from wikipedia] that will illustrate to those reading my thread here how deeply wrong those human genius are looking for answers:

"One of the unsolved theoretical questions in physics is why the universe is made chiefly of matter, rather than consisting of equal parts of matter and antimatter. It can be demonstrated that to create an imbalance in matter and antimatter from a initial condition of balance, the Sakharov conditions must be satisfied, one of which is the existence of CP violation during the extreme conditions of the first seconds after the Big Bang. Explanations which do not involve CP violation are less plausible, since they must rely on assuming that the matter-antimatter imbalance was present at the beginning.
The Big Bang should have produced equal amounts of matter and anti-matter if CP-symmetry was preserved; as such, there should have been total cancellation of both. In other words, protons should have cancelled with anti-protons, electrons with positrons, neutrons with anti-neutrons, and so on for all elementary particles. This would have resulted in a sea of photons in the universe with no normal matter. Since this is quite evidently not the case, during the Big Bang, physical laws must have acted differently for matter and antimatter; and since CP-Symmetry would dictate that physics would act identically to both classes of matter, it cannot hold in all cases..." [wikipedia].

To read more about this go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation

Of course physical laws were behaving diferently from how we conceive them today... Just what I begun to explain with my introducting analogy.

There was energy and energy alone what exploded throughout the cosmos!

No wonder they can't understand where all that "assumed-to-exist antimatter" and matter "pudding" resulted in a magic act of universal "discrimination" toward ...matter(?)

There could NOT be matter [elements as we know it today from the table] since not even "mass" were yet part of the energy status before the establishment of the massive "standing wave" process that created matter and antimatter as a result....

YES! Matter and anti-matter are still part of the internal symmetry of what we only see as "matter."

What do you think happens every time "particles" are accelerated in a collision path against each other during those [expensive] experiments?

"THEY" brake the symmetry formed in the early days of the genesis of the universe. Matter and anti-matter is the result of a huge MIS-UNDERSTANDING concerning the nature of the atomic structure.
Answer me this simple question... where is the anti-matter present in real time? No where of course! However... anti-matter has been obtained after particle collisions inside "atom smashers"... am I right? ...I know... for a very very very brief split of a second... ok!
That was not "anti-matter" gentlemen, but a mirror symmetry at play inside the harmonic structure of "my atomic model."

What we obtained after those experimental "Big-Bangs" using extremely powerful magnets and high velocities was the same procedure atoms normally do with incomming E-M energy like... light.

Energy is previously absorbed and immidiately released [scatter] from those spinning patterns of standing waves to become "photons" or even "electrons" as in the so-called "photo-electric effect."

We are "producing" what could be consider the "mirror image" of our "every day photons" and "electrons" but manufactured inside deeper "local eathers" or what's the same "deeper and more energetic realities."

I'll continue with this later...

HUMANBYDEFAULT

www.humanbydefault.com

[humanbydefault]

(continuation from the last posting)

IF I'm right in my views of what's actually happening at the very depth of each atom of the universe, then anti-matter is just "half-way" the space between the core of energies involved in the pattern of interference [standing waves] and the outermost orbital structure or our familiar "electrons."

HOW COULD I EXPLIN THIS TO YOU, INDEED... LET ME TRY THIS WAY:

I ASSUME THAT YOU'D AGREE WITH ME THAT A HYPOTHETICAL ATOMIC STRUCTURE MADE IN LAYERS [OR LEVELS OF ENERGY] CORRESPONDING WITH EACH BOND BETWEEN ATTRACTED "PARTS" WILL PRESENT A RATHER INTERESTING "SPACE-TIME" CONFIGURATION... IS IT CLEAR YET? LET ME PUT IT IN OTHER WAY... Imagine that we will create an imaginary atom from scratch! [that's it!] we take the results of the bond formed when two speks of high-energy "joinned together" in a vibrating fashion as the result of the mentioned pull derived from the standing wave [Casimir effect version of two point-source of energy instead of two innert plaques].

As we "insert" more and more of those "units" together we will observe how the "assembly" grows and the original energy will decrease with the square of the distance the size of the atom expands... clear?

For a better understanding about the nature of those "units" I mentioned earlier I will identify they by how we know them:
They are "fermions" or the famous "protons" made at the same time by smaller "units" called quarks and so on.

SO FAR SO GOOD! You would say that everything I've been describing here belongs to the MATTER WORLD. Nothing so far carries any similarity to what we imagine to be "anti-matter." But you couldn't be farther from the truth on this if you share those thoughts!

ONE THING IS A MULTI-LEVEL STRUCTURE OF MATTER KNOWN TO US AS THE ATOM AND SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT >>> THE SCATTERINGS PRODUCED FROM THOSE VERY SPINNING PATTERNS >>> PROVIDED A PREVIOUSLY ABSORBED ENERGY [INTENTIONALLY INCLUDED INTO THE SYSTEM] AND EVENTUALLY SCATTERED FROM THEM.

THERE IS NO POSSIBLE ANTI-STRUCTURE ANYWHERE TO SUPPORT THE FALSELY PROPOSED EXISTENCE OF ANTI-MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE!!!

THE ATOMIC STRUCTURE IS ONE AND COULD ONLY BE ONE IN ESSENCE!

THOSE EPHIMERAL "ANTI-PARTICLES" "THEY" THOUGHT TO HAVE OBTAINED FOR A DECIMAL OF A MILISECOND WAS MERELY THE RESULT OF A "PHOTO-ELECTRIC EFFECT" ELEVATED TO A HUGE EXPONENTIALITY... TO MAKE IT SIMPLER.

"THEY" HAVE CREATED A BUNCH OF NON-STABLE AND NON-EXISTING "PARTICLES" PLAYING WITH SOMETHING THEY ALREADY KNOWN TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO CHEAT: "THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY." !!!!!!

WHAT THEY DON'T SEEM TO "CATCH UP" WITH IS THAT THE SYMMETRY STRUCTURED INSIDE THE ATOM [BUILT FROM THE VERY CORE OF ENERGIES] WAS CAPABLE OF SCATTERING BACK TO "OUR EATHER" [THE SAME ONE PRESENT INSIDE THE TUNNELS OF THE PARTICLE-ACCELERATORS BY THE WAY] ALL SORT OF QUANTA THAT HAS NO CHANCES TO "SURVIVE" IN OUR REALITY.

THE SO-CALLED "CHARGE-PARITY-TIME SYMMETRY" [CPT SYMMETRY] IS THE BEST EVIDENCE OF HOW I PICTURE THE TRUE MODEL OF THE ATOM. THE ONLY EXPLANATION TO FACTS POINTING TO AN ASSUMED CREATION OF "ANTI-PARTICLES" MUST BE BASED ON A MULTI-EATHEREAL STRUCTURE INSIDE THE ATOM.

IN SIMPLER WORDS: ENTROPY CHANGES ACCORDING TO THE [SPINNING] ENERGY-LEVELS KNOWN TO US AS ORBITS.
TIME is just the measuring rod used to observe the internal and rate of this entropy. Since the density or concentration of this energy across the different orbitals is changing with the increase of the distance from the (atom's) core, it is logical to assume that the direction, intensity and parity of their scatterings will follow the same pattern.

THE FACT THAT THERE IS A VIOLATION OBSERVED DURING THE WEAK INTERACTION [DECAY] IS DUE TO THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH THE BONDING ENERGIES BETWEEN THE "UNITS" WERE ACTUALLY SCATTERED.

To understand these last thoughts you must rethink everything and apply it to a new model of the atom. You must begin to clear you mind from the false image of independently present "sub-atomic particles" spinning according to the "holes" they could find in their present orbits and look at the atomic structure in a more holistic way... otherwise you'll get lost before you reach the light at the end of the tunnel.

TWO years ago I published a "fictional book" under the title "WARNING! SCIENTIFIC DISCRETION ADVISED" Contrary to some malicious suggestions from some people, I never had in mind the aim of "profiting from it." I've had the chance of advertising it and get some publicity, but that wasn't the real reason for my writtings.

In it, I dedicated some chapters to the subject of matter and anti-matter just as the concept you just read in this thread. For me matter and anti-matter are flawed human concepts and further more a hard evidence of how wrong the "particle theory" could be.

THERE IS ONE UNIVERSAL PATTERN IN THE "INTERNAL MAKINGS" OF MATTER: STANDING WAVES OR WHAT I ALSO CALLED HERE "THE PERFECT SOLUTION."

THOSE SCATTERINGS WE IDENTIFIED AS "PROTONS", "NEUTRONS" AND "ELECTRONS" [ETC] OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ATOM [MATTER] ARE JUST A QUANTIFIED MAGNITUDE OF PRE-MANUFACTURED ENERGY INSIDE THOSE HOLISTIC STRUCUTRED THEORIZED THESE DAYS.

ANTI-MATTER WITH THE COHESIVENESS SEEN IN MATTER WOULD LITERALLY MEAN LOOKING AT "ONE QUARK" OR EVEN TO A SMALLER "UNIT" IN COMPLETE ISOLATION FROM THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE... SOMETHING I EXPLAINED TO BE IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO THE "PERFECT SOLUTION" AND THE EXTREME HUGE PULL BORNE FROM THE FORCE BETWEEN THEIR SPINNIG ENERGIES.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

www.humanbydefault.com

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by humanbydefault Two interesting comments and they deserve two serious answers... allow me to respond them along with my best regards and gratitude: >>>>>> OPTIMISM? Optimism, my dear friend, is I R R E L E V A N T! You are asking me to present [what I consider FACTS in the deepest corner of my soul] a more... "happy" story? ...Perhaps one with a happy ending? I don't think so... but thanks anyway for your short comment... >>>>>> My old and dear friend mike. Parents are needed among biological life, you know as well as I know that our universe is much more complex than a simple biological entity and therefore my "hypothetical analogy" was just a symbolic resemblance to a more familiar aspect of our biological existence. HOWEVER there is a great deal of resemblance between the physical characteristics of what occured during the so-called "Big-Bang" and a bunch of worrying and controversial experimental observation in out best "Particle accelerators" today... Don't miss my next post on the subject either. HUMANBYDEFAULT >>>> www.humanbydefault.com

I know what you are saying my friend,and saying it exceedingly well,I may add,
it is just that I also see an "intelligence behind all this",maybe you do not,who knows?

regards michael.

[theunify]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I know what you are saying my friend,and saying it exceedingly well,I may add, it is just that I also see an "intelligence behind all this",maybe you do not,who knows? regards michael.

I add more credance to this argument of yours. I'd like to see you define Casmir effect since you reference it many times without initial explanation..beyond that your theory that anti-matter is artificial may be correct; can you imagine two jets going at light speed... when they crash you will have two jets and the "sonic booms" will collide and create an effect analogous to antimatter.. It will seem that these "sonic booms" the jets all go up in smoke as if they were anti-particles. When really it's just a big fireballs with two sources of heat. One invisible and one visible.

J'adore le analogie. Il est por favor le science nat!

[humanbydefault]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I know what you are saying my friend,and saying it exceedingly well,I may add, it is just that I also see an "intelligence behind all this",maybe you do not,who knows? regards michael.

I'm not denying the roll of a high intelligence behind our physical reality... do not misunderstand me on this. My point is that this especific "place" [cosmological theories] does not "fit" with the real theoretical basis to discuss it.

Perhaps... philosphy and any of its sections will do it.

Regards

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by humanbydefault I'm not denying the roll of a high intelligence behind our physical reality... do not misunderstand me on this. My point is that this especific "place" [cosmological theories] does not "fit" with the real theoretical basis to discuss it. Perhaps... philosphy and any of its sections will do it. Regards HUMANBYDEFAULT

That is correct my friend,I apoligise for my trespass into your thread.

warm regards michael.