[socratus]

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When we get down to -273 degree
when we must pay attention on processes :
1.
superviscosity = superfluid = superconductivity.
These processes could be go in the early stage of
creating the material world from nothing / vacuum.
2.
when we must pay attention on the elements
helium II and helium I. These elements are different
from all another elements of nature.
Why?
Because the helium II and helium I
were created from "latent mass",
from dark matter", from "virtual particles".
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[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by socratus

Dear baudrunner,
You think as an good engineer.
But science is different from engineering.
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Dear Socratus,

You really get good insight as "Science is different from engineering."
May I extend a little bit more.

Engineering good fits with established cores (the portion with certainty) of Science. However, truth searchers (like most toequesters) are more interested to explore and dicuss on frontier science (the uncertain portion).

So, it seems the detailed sentence is "But frontier science is different from engineering."
The remaining problem is: What part of science still remains uncertain?

Best Regards. Bottomlander

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I agree with you Socratus...

Lloyd

Question:
What is connection between vacuum and superconductivity?
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The answers.
1. A vacuum has nothing to do with superconductivity. If you have a vacuum then you'll have nothing to conduct!
2. If you allow a gas to expand it will cool. One method of producing extremely cold temperatures is to create a near perfect vacuum and let a gas expand into it causing a temperature drop. It is the low temperature achieved with vacuum technology and
not the vacuum that permits superconductivity.
3. No connection between vacuum and superconductivity. There is a connection with temperature though. Many materials become super conductors at very low temperatures.
4. The only connection with the two , the vacuum was used to insulate the super cooled amplifier which used superconductivity.
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As usual , nobody agree with me........

Originally Posted by socratus

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When you get down to -273 degree
you get superconductivity.
A superconductivity is possible to reach only
if there are space of helium II, helium I .
It means, what thinking about vacuum,
about approximately zero degree,
we must put in the foundation not protons,
not hydrogen, but the helium II, helium I,
the particles of helium II,
the particles of helium I.
Maybe the “ Theory of quant gravitation” is closely
tied with the “ Theory of superconductivity”…. ?
Maybe the “ Theory of star formation” is closely
tied with the “ Theory of superconductivity”…. ?
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When we get down to -273 degree
when we must pay attention on processes :
1.
superviscosity = superfluid = superconductivity.
These processes could be go in the early stage of
creating the material world from nothing / vacuum.
2.
when we must pay attention on the elements
helium II and helium I. These elements are different
from all another elements of nature.
Why?
Because the helium II and helium I
were created from "latent mass",
from dark matter", from "virtual particles".
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[socratus]

Dear Bottomlander,
Einstein said what is remained:
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"I want to know how God created this world.
I am not interested in this or that phenomenon
, in the spectrum of this or that element.
I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
/Einstein/
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Dear Bottomlander,
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P. Kapitza has said about a science:
" The Science is what cannot be.
And that can be, is a technical progress ".
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And another interesting quotation

The modern physicist is a quantum theorist
on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
and a student of gravitational relativity theory
on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.
On Sunday he is neither, but is praying to his God
that someone, preferably himself, will find the
reconciliation between the two views.
Norbert Wiener
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Dear Lloyd.
When I read the articles and comments
about basic problemes in physics
(quantum of light, electron, dark matter,
vacuum and etc....) when I think,
how clever all these authors are .
I am surprised, reading that clever answers
everyone gives , protecting his correctness.
They give various examples (sometimes very practical,
sometimes abstract) to prove their truth
It is nice, it is wonderful.
But...
But when the speech goes about vacuum T=0K
in the physicists brains the screen flashes
" It is forbidden to think " and brains of these
clever people stop to work.
Why?
Maybe the interdiction of Official church of Physics works.
Maybe the law of ethics works:
" Good bourgeois families don't speak about it ".
Maybe our school, education can be guilty in it.
For some historian of science it will be interesting
to analyze, how in the brains of modern physicists
and philosophers this taboo was arisen.
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[Lloyd Gillespie]

You hit the nail on the head here, Socratus. Why in the world seemingly bright physicists, and other clever scientists can't see the thermodynamic answer, staring them square in the face, is beyond me. It's so simple a mechanics, a child could understand, but physicists___Not???

I can't even begin to imagine what programmed their brains into this false state of thinking... I think we need to drive a big spike into their heads, with a very big hammer... Common scientific sense seems to have almost vanished from little ol' planet earth...

Maybe we should title a thread; "All physicists and scientists who don't see thermodynamics as the controlling mechanics of the universe are___Stupid!!!" God, even Einstein, early on, understood this...

Lloyd

Originally Posted by socratus

Dear Lloyd.

When I read the articles and comments
about basic problemes in physics
(quantum of light, electron, dark matter,
vacuum and etc....) when I think,
how clever all these authors are .
I am surprised, reading that clever answers
everyone gives , protecting his correctness.
They give various examples (sometimes very practical,
sometimes abstract) to prove their truth
It is nice, it is wonderful.
But...
But when the speech goes about vacuum T=0K
in the physicists brains the screen flashes
" It is forbidden to think " and brains of these
clever people stop to work.
Why?
Maybe the interdiction of Official church of Physics works.
Maybe the law of ethics works:
" Good bourgeois families don't speak about it ".
Maybe our school, education can be guilty in it.
For some historian of science it will be interesting
to analyze, how in the brains of modern physicists
and philosophers this taboo was arisen.
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[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

You hit the nail on the head here, Socratus. Why in the world seemingly bright physicists, and other clever scientists can't see the thermodynamic answer, staring them square in the face, is beyond me. It's so simple a mechanics, a child could understand, but physicists___Not???

Maybe we should title a thread; "All physicists and scientists who don't see thermodynamics as the controlling mechanics of the universe are___Stupid!!!" God, even Einstein, early on, understood this...

Lloyd

Perhaps Conflict of Interest (an unnoticed instinct, not as apparent as Jealous) best describe this common situation!

In case something simple is able to gain a big success, rather than using advanced mathematics, mainstream physicists will lost the face. So, simple things become a taboo to mainstream physicists and researchers. And mainstream followers don't buy simple things/ideas. They like the Authority to tell them something complicated whereas they hardly comprehend.

But I believe that (I am crazy and childish) once TOE has been achieved, it will be developed thru simple reasoning. And after a few generations, children will wonder why their ancestors could not achieve it much much earlier.

Best Regards. Bottomlander

[socratus]

Dear Lloyd.

Your comment rings sharply.
From the history of science I know
how hard was to physicists to change
their opinions. For example:
to recognize an electron,
to recognize Bohr’s atom,
for Planck to recognize his own light quanta,
etc……
I know how hard was for me to accept my own ideas.
So, we need time and patience.
The TOE will be written, because the man is constructed
so, that he wants to know " how" and " why".
And I don't think that the clever man, who wants
to think logically ,will agree to live in
the misunderstanding world.
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[socratus]

Dear Bottomlander.

1.
Of course the TOE will be written.
It is not as difficult as many think.
2.
Of course ...it will be "conflict of interests "
3.
But I don’t agree to wait " few generation ".
I want that your children will understand the TOE now.
I don’t think that it is illusion.
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