[Flash Cadagan]

I have a question. Now I've never heard this from anyone else before although it's nothing revolutionary I just want some opinions.

So what if the big bang isn’t the beginning at all? What if it’s just a rapid expansion of something that has ALWAYS been expanding? If the universe is everything and infinity is packed into a very small area, perhaps it was only seen as very minuscule because of its relation to our size today. Perhaps at that time, it was quite large in comparison to whatever inhabitants may have existed with that sort of heat and pressure. Right now, our universe may seem infinitely dense in comparison with this same universe in billions of years!

In evolution there are rapid changes in a species and then periods of much less and much more gradual change. Then again, another high point of quick changes and then it slows down again.
What if the universe works on a similar principal? We were an insanely dense ball of hydrogen and then BAM! Rapid expansion results in a state of existence for planets, life, galaxies, black holes, everything we know and love. But if scientists are correct, eventually our universe will be pretty much nothing but dark matter. Perhaps then another rapid change will take place as the universe continues to expand. Something I know nothing about, something that may not constitute in our laws of physics at all. But whose to say that fusion existed in the universe previous to the big bang?

Perhaps after another high point when our known universe is long gone, there will be another time of relative calm and another form of existence (maybe similar to ours maybe not) will come into being.




This is something that just sort of popped into my head yesterday while I was reading up on dark energy. It seems to me that our universe is going through a serious transformation from matter to dark energy. Well I thought that perhaps a different transition had occured right around the Big Bang and that it wasn't the beginning of the universe, just the beginning of the universe that happens to follow our laws of physics and what not.
Again, all theoretical. Much more a philosophy than anything else but I would love some serious feedback.
Thanks.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks F C. would like to welcome you here at the toequest community,I send you greetings from the UK to you,hope you settle in real soon now,will post again here later
to reply to your opening question.


regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Dear Flash:

Good to hear from you. You've probly heard of the Steady State theory. It's abandoned but elements of it are being purloined and inserted to prop up the limping big bang 'theory'. Anyway, you may be on to something in yer first paragraph there. You may as well join the fray because since about 1930, post modern science has become an 'emergent' - buzzword clustered - free for all... For example 'particle theory' is a full tilt boogie about particles, not one of which has ever been nailed down... Super strings. Dark matter. Tachyeons, leprechauns, put ons and take offs.. Inventory the particles in particle 'theory' sometime. Wheeee!)

- Regards
- RP

[MJA]

Welcome Flash to a pretty cool forum;
you asked for an idea, so think about this:

Imagine our planet as a single cell called Earth in a hypothetical universe we will call The Human Body Universe. Man is only a tiny part of this tiny cell which is part of the universe called The Human Body. As far as we can microcopically strain our instuments; we can only see so far. Beyond our limits or power of scope or reach is unknown. Infact much of what we believe we know is only theory at best. In the other direction from our tiny cell called Earth we strain our telescopes to the limits of there power to see the extent of our universe. We know from this tiny perception, from this tiny cell Earth, that our cell is only a tiny part of a group of cells making up The Milky Way Galaxy, which is just a tiny part of our universe. Each part is united by space or plasma. Beyond our cell called Earth and beyond our Galaxy is billions of other galaxies making up the Human Body Universe. And perhaps like ourselves there are billions of other universes much like the billions of other people that make up our cell Earth. And perhaps all of those universes are only a part of a bigger planet called EARTH, that is part of a bigger galaxy called THE MILKY WAY, which is part of a bigger universe called The HUMAN BODY, which is only a tiny part of INFINITE!

Would that be the theory of parallel universes?

To address your question of the Big Bang Theory, I believe because of our human nature to know, and our great capacity for imagination, we create ideas, or theories like The Big Bang. And perhaps The Big Bang is realistically how the Human Body Universe really did start, with a BANG!

Hope you like it here,

MJA

[dleviwing]

Hi Flash;
Imagine you meet a being that knows everything. This would mean that 90 percent of what this being knows is made up of worthless Bull and 10 percent of useful knowledge. As human beings we cannot know everything so it is wise to concentrate on the 10 percent; leave the dark energy, dark matter, hyperspace, time travel, string theory, and other such knowledge to the beings that can know everything.

Welcome to ToeQuest.

[Bogie]

Hi Flash and thanks for a post that I can relate too.

You are in the middle of your own personal mind experiment and want some feedback. You have come to the right place, for there are many of us that know exactly where you are coming from.

To answer you directly, what you imagine is a perpetual expansion where the big bang was only a phase that followed a previous continuum of expansion. You are delving into the infinitesimal and saying why can’t things always expand and if they can, why can’t the have always been expanding. All of a sudden the expansion spawns an environment we recognize as the big bang where our universe thrives and life emerges and the expansion goes on. Eventually the expansion will out live our universe and there will be no looking back, only forward to new circumstances that enable a new kind of circumstance along the expanding continuum.

If I am close to your mind experiment then you have proved to be able to get your mind around some very difficult concepts; the infinite and the infinitesimal, the infinity of time, a beginningless universe that has always existed, and time and universe that will always exist and always change. My personal cosmology includes them all.

Though I agree with you on all of those points, the continuum of expansion doesn't work with my view of what makes our expanding universe expand. I see it based on an infinitesimal unifying energy particle but it is a very long story.

Continue the experiment and keep the part you like and replace the parts that don't work for you and keep building. And keep checking what you build against the best thinking of the best minds to be sure they don't have some logic that didn't occur to you yet.