[dleviwing]

That sounds very profound Lloyd; coming from the credibility of an economist.

[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie David, why don't you explain to us exactly where in the real physical universe, em waves, and wave interferences(as such) turn into real solid object matter?___Physically Where? Not only has no-one on this board explained where this process takes place, or what scientific prime mover, moves fundamental waves, no-one in the entire physics community has, either. Lloyd

The topic Lloyd mentioned above is almost as paradoxical as the famous one "Why there is something rather than nothing?"
If someone can solve the former one, that person has the potential to solve the other one.

Really, they must be the issues handled by a proclaimed TOE.

Best Regards. Bottomlander

[socratus]

The formula E=Mc^2 continues to providethe answers to Physics.
Why? Because:
1.
Classic physics says the energy and mass are two different
parametres of particle.
2.
SRT/QT says mass and energy are equivalent parametres
of particle.
Which theory is correct?
The both theories are correct, because every of them
observes and explains different particles.
SRT/QT explains behaviour of photon/electron, and
Classic physics observes all another particles (objects).
3.
The formula E=Mc^2 belongs to some particle.
My opinion about this formula is:
It is not importent how you call this particle.
You want, call it "energy " or "mass ".
You want, call it "daimonis "(like Socrates),
or "idea "(like Plato), or "thing in itself " (like Kant),
or "monada " (like Leibniz), or "dear friend" (like in Vedas),
or "soul" (like in religion), or "photon " (like in science).
One thing is only importent, that this particle has potential
(rest)power: c^2.But this particle cannot be at rest all the time.
Some time it must be active. How can it be active?
1.
Using one of its inner impulse (Planck,s)the particle
moves straight with speed c=1 (it is a corpuscular, which
doesn,t make waves).
2.
Using another of its inner impulse (Goudsmit/Ulenbeck)
the particle turns around its diametr and created waves.
And then we can call it an "electron" or "tachyon".
But if you want you can call it "my dog".
It is not importent. It is importent that this "dog"
or "soul" saves you, and is importent that you also
pay attention to "your dear friend".
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[Lloyd Gillespie]

The two thermal states of matter/motion are profound, are they not...?

The #1 law of the universe___All matter expands as all light slows...

Lloyd

[dleviwing]

Too often our thinking is influence by our senses. We think in terms of hot or cold, hard or soft, big or small, wet or dry, and light and dark. Get out of your fleshy human box and see reality.

[socratus]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Too often our thinking is influence by our senses. We think in terms of hot or cold, hard or soft, big or small, wet or dry, and light and dark. Get out of your fleshy human box and see reality.

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Get out of our " human box" and see reality is not easy.
To reach it , .......... it is very hard work.
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[MJA]

Originally Posted by socratus ========================= Get out of our " human box" and see reality is not easy. To reach it , .......... it is very hard work. ====================

Perhaps the truth or reality or TOE., is more easy than thought!

MJA

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by socratus ========================= Get out of our " human box" and see reality is not easy. To reach it , .......... it is very hard work. ====================

On that I must agree socratus; the incredible amount of indoctrinations and false knowledge brainwashing is a major obstacle along that path. The human brain is capable of seeing without the use of sight. Use the power of thought.

[socratus]

To understand something we need logical thought.
But not always.
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We are full of emotions and thoughts.
Our brain is endless noisy ocean. Try to stop this noise
of ocean on some seconds. Maybe, using all your will-power
you will do it. But it is nothing. Because you must stop this noise
of your ocean without power. Is it easy?
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The business of the ocean be noisy.
And the business of the brain to think.
And this is OK. But sometimes we must stop this business.
Why?
Because different winds make the ocean be noisy.
And different programms, educations,ideologies....etc
make our brain be noisy. And we lose ourself in this ocean of noise.
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We are not ocean, and we are not brain/computer.
We are not machines, not programming robots, not zombies.
We are something another. And we must now : who we are,
" who am I ?".
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