Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ?

[MJA]

I like reading your thoughts Thor, you are on the right track.
The only way the universe could be finite is to know its measurement,
but its measure can never be known because nature as is a point is truly immeasurable.
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle was only the tip of the immeasurable berg of us All.
The boys at Copenhagen interpreted measure incorrectly, God does not play dice.
Einstein was right.
Had the Professor understood the imeasurability of Maxwell's work on the speed of light, I have no doubt he would have found what he was searching for.
Nature's absolute is at the center of an equation and nothing is more simple and beautiful as that.
The balance of an equation is the absolute and every and anything else is uncertain at best.
Life with measure is equal,
And when all is equal all is One.
One universe = Oneself.
Way to go Thor!

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MJA

[everymansmedium]

It is about time that somebody besides myself sees this.
Now all you need to do is to realize that creation and the existence of the quantum universe are 2 different things.

Before the creation there was chaos. But to have chaos is to have something. That something is what is found in quantum physics. The creation is only skin deep. If you look too close, you look beyond creation and see only what was there before the creation.

A digital system is the direct opposite of a continuum.

In order to see symmetry where there does not appear to be any, you hold up a mirror to your equation. Now you have two sides of the equation that balance and form symmetry.

Now if there is a reversal as there is in a mirror, then the other side is reversed. If the other side is reversed then you have the opposite of a continuum or a digital system. This means that our missing continuum is actually a digital representation of a continuum that exists on the other side in a digital system.

Now the quantum universe begins to look like a digital interface to a continuum.

The major change that is needed to see this is to take a very close look at the possibility of continuos dynamic creation as in the growing block universe.

See http://unit-unity-community.com

Better be careful it is beginning to look like the creation is quite possible.

Now ask your self if you would rather live your life without any rules or regulations as it would be in a universe without a God and find out at the end that you were wrong.
OR,
Live as you would if you knew that God was watching you and Die to discover absolutely nothing.
You never find out if you were wrong. Now only that you will make more friends along the way if you live this way.

Now there is also the possibility that those that believe discover that they were right. Hurrah this one wins.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

One problem with the above__as Poincare' stated; "Singularities of any kind are bound to exhibit paradoxes..." Reason by itself, is a singularity__mirrors of reason won't change this fact...

Kant stated the problem like this; “Find for the conditioned knowledge given through the understanding the unconditioned whereby its unity is brought to completion” [The singularity problem of unconditional reason__it fails...]

Reason requires both object and intuition, within the continuum, to be sound__otherwise, it's simply unconditional mythological thought tripping...

A true and reasonable ground is required for all and any thought to be sound...

Here's the mistake most make: they “take a subjective necessity of a connection of our concepts…for an objective necessity in the determination of things in themselves...”

P.s.
Socrates/Kant's/Peirce's Pragmatism is absolutely necessary to cut the infinity potentials out of useful reason and logic, thus removing the metaphysical myths…(not meant to imply pure infinities do not exist, but only to remove the psychological infinities of reason and logic as applied to pure ground reason and logics__in the over-subjective to over-objective fallacies...)

[THoR]

I like reading your thoughts Thor, you are on the right track.
The only way the universe could be finite is to know its measurement,
but its measure can never be known because nature as is a point is truly immeasurable.
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle was only the tip of the immeasurable berg of us All.
The boys at Copenhagen interpreted measure incorrectly, God does not play dice.
Einstein was right.
Had the Professor understood the imeasurability of Maxwell's work on the speed of light, I have no doubt he would have found what he was searching for.
Nature's absolute is at the center of an equation and nothing is more simple and beautiful as that.
The balance of an equation is the absolute and every and anything else is uncertain at best.
Life with measure is equal,
And when all is equal all is One.
One universe = Oneself.
Way to go Thor!

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MJA

NOTHING EXISTS:

Reality is usually measured and described within the parameters of three basic criteria - quality, quantity and dimension (location, position and configuration). Quantitatively there is a negative equivalent for every positive value. Dimensionally there is an opposite for every vector. If each of the fundamental building blocks of the Universe is composed of reciprocally balanced sets of qualities and anti-qualities, then within the finite world the equivalent of Nothing exists. But in the very real and not so 'relative' domain of infinity, true Nothing exists - all in one place at the same time.

(3) Consider the fractions 1/2 and 1/999 ^999,999,999,999,999 . As the denominator of a fraction increases, its value decreases. Though infinity is undefined and cannot be represented by a value, it is obvious that if the numerator of a fraction is finite, then regardless how large that numerator may be, the ratio of any finite quantity compared to infinity is Ø.

(2) Using any given point in space as the point of origin for an X,Y,Z axis, one may theoretically extend equidistant lines to infinity throughout the spectrum of three-dimensional coordinates. The procedure inscribes a sphere which theoretically encompasses the Universe. By definition, the selected point is the center of that sphere - and the center of the Universe. Since the same can be done for all points in the Universe, every point in the cosmos is its center.

(1) If every quality has a reciprocal, then the sum of the qualities in the Universe has a 'null' value. The equivalent of nothing exists, just not all in the same place...unless you look at it from the point of view above (infinity).

From the perspective of infinity, nothing exists (1), has no size (3) and no relative location (2). It is the only perspective from which quantitative, qualitative and dimensional values all vanish. (Ø).

[austintorn@aol.com]

Everyman: Yes, we are finite in the only place we could be within the infinities of large and small—in the exact middle.

Thor: Right on.

Lloyd: Keep hammering those subjective of God doing anything.

The Key

[THoR]

Where do you get those colorful illustrations ? ? ?

[labelwench]

From the perspective of infinity, nothing exists (1), has no size (3) and no relative location (2). It is the only perspective from which quantitative, qualitative and dimensional values all vanish. (Ø).
Originally posted by THoR.

Contemplating infinity, and the perspective of infinity, should keep my mind occupied for a significant number of kilometers on horseback.

An interesting post.....

[austintorn@aol.com]

Where do you get those colorful illustrations ? ? ?

I write it and transfer the text into Photoshop (or type it in there) and then apply a layer style.

Buy Photoshop Elements (It's the cheapest Photoshop and does everything).
Many layers style can be found about the internet.

Oh, and give it a text warp, too.

[THoR]

I write it and transfer the text into Photoshop (or type it in there) and then apply a layer style.

Buy Photoshop Elements (It's the cheapest Photoshop and does everything).
Many layers style can be found about the internet.

Oh, and give it a text warp, too.

Great. I'm the webmaster for our company's four websites, but I just recently convinced them to get me Adobe Suite 5 Web version. Been using Flash for years, but I'm still new to Photoshop. I have a reseller account and we only spend $180 a year between the HOST and DNS, so talking them into a four figure investment wasn't easy. Looking forward into really exploring the features.

THoR