Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ?

[Profpat]

Thanks Charles;

I agree my faith compliments my concept of reality.
A lot fo the T.O.E.'s goes back to the old Greek arguements of being and becoming, about illusions, and the only thing philosphically correct is that there is nothingness, and so on. I'm not saying that Parmenides, Hereclitus, Plato, or the rest were wrong, I just agree with Aristotle when it comes to reality i.e. lets accept it as real.

Back to the question about infinity. If the universe were to quit expanding, then it would be finite. So maybe the universes infinite potential will become limited, in the future.

Best to all;

Profpat

[futrethink]

---It shall be found after time ends, as it was before time began, that the only limits to existence are nonexistence.
---Well, at least that is a simplistic way of describing one possibility. In my opinion, it is both infinite and finite. As Profpat put forward, “Maybe its a paradox like the wave/particle duality where its both.
In other words maybe the universe is finitely infinite, or better infinitely finite.”
---There is nothing stopping reality from expanding and nothing outside of existence. It will only stop expanding when nothing more can be created and/or done and/or even when nothingness/nonexistence is accepted as the final boundary and reality continues as it is for all time and space.
---This may sound like plays on words, but it isn’t. It is simply using subjective words/symbols as objectively as possible.

[Profpat]

Well thank you Futrethink and welcome to the toequest forum.

It stretches my imagination, when I think that a potentially " infinitely small " point can inflate and expand into a potentially " Infinitely large " point.
Assuming you believe inthe big bang.

Best,

Pat

[futrethink]

Profpat.

Well thank you Futrethink and welcome to the toequest forum.

---You're welcome and thank you.

It stretches my imagination, when I think that a potentially " infinitely small " point can inflate and expand into a potentially " Infinitely large " point.

---Yeah, its fun to think about when you use comparisons for large and small.
---The thing to think about is that: there is nothing outside of reality to compare the small reality to or to compare the large reality to. Step outside of reality (taking reality with you. Lol), keep moving away from the infinitely large (if you can move faster than infinite speed. Lol) and soon enough the large has become infinitely small.
---Anyway.

Assuming you believe inthe big bang.

---Yep. I see it simply as the result of a "choice" (By the singularity {I never call it god, as that has connotations of infinite good}) , but toe-may-toe or toe-maw-toe. That which they call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet.

---I’m surprised. No-one has argued against the possibility of the paradox of something being finite and infinite at the same time. Usually in other discussions, I have had, I have to bring Pi and a Möbius strip up for inspection, to prove the existence of existing paradoxes.

[everymansmedium]

Hi Pat:
Because this is beginning to look like a poll. I will toss in my 2 cents. I see a multiverse of a single membrane with a single twist. This membrane holds 2 existence mediums one is as we see is Eden and the other is a mirror image of same. Both of these existence mediums are finite in space and time. The interface between them is infinite. This interface is the membrane where both existence mediums reside. This membrane is as the lines of our primary force. The edge is a single dimensional track where time travels on half of the way around and reverses to space on the other half the reversal occurs at the twist. The side and the edge are a 3 dimensional track that reverses in the same way. Only the primary force is effective across the interface. The other forces are relative to the specific existence medium.

I am quite sure that the dark matter that everyone seems so worried about is the effect of the single dimension of space in the 8th dimension. This is part of the other existence medium. I call Elsewhen. This other existence medium is where we exist in spirit and is our eternal home. We do not exist in space. Our body exists in space and is not but an interface to this place.

It is finite as we see it here. But we are only here for a visit. Nobody lives here we just come to visit
The other side is 3 d time and 1 d space. But we are DATA there is an infinite amount of room for us. We are eternal beings. We exist in single dimensional strands of space in the form of data strings. Very long data strings. Of which we can only access the present life. Some of us have memories of things we should not have memories about. But when they are there they must be there for a reason. Maybe we are all beginning to remember something. You know, that something that is always just a bit out of our reach. Maybe it is just a matter of when it is time to remember. Maybe in order to remember there, we must forget here. I think we will all answer this in our own time.

Though it be finite it is still MUCH bigger than what we thought we had access to.
John

[sillysally]

Well thank you Futrethink and welcome to the toequest forum.

It stretches my imagination, when I think that a potentially " infinitely small " point can inflate and expand into a potentially " Infinitely large " point.
Assuming you believe inthe big bang.

Best,

Pat

Hi Pat, just imagine it with time. You can't measure the smallest fraction of a second, it doesn't exist. On the other hand, the largest amount of time doesn't exist either making everything constant, now there cannot be a beginning point. It would be both infinite and finite but there needs to be a another word because there is no opposite to this answer. Would that word be constant? But that gives it a moving feeling so make that constant static. I think our perceptions are distorted, I experienced a supernova in the palm of my hand, there is a teeny tiny universe out there now, and that's what we could be in comparison to the massiveness that we "see" out there.

We don't have a basis for measurement. We can only measure everything on our scale, however we don't know what we are equal to out there.

[Profpat]

Hi everyone;

Futrethink;

I don't think pi or a mobius strip to be paradoxical, maybe irrational. An Escher print is paradoxical.


John: I'm going to have to reread your post 100 times.

SillySally;

Hi Pat, just imagine it with time. You can't measure the smallest fraction of a second, it doesn't exist. On the other hand, the largest amount of time doesn't exist either making everything constant, now there cannot be a beginning point. It would be both infinite and finite but there needs to be a another word because there is no opposite to this answerSeams like you are putting a new spin on the old Zeno midpoint paradox. So maybe, I really think this is illusion caused by God.. Would that word be constant? But that gives it a moving feeling so make that constant static. I think our perceptions are distorted,Plato agrees I experienced a supernova in the palm of my hand, there is a teeny tiny universe out there now, and that's what we could be in comparison to the massiveness that we "see" out there.When you have a moment, pick up a wild flower and see the universe.

We don't have a basis for measurement. We can only measure everything on our scale, however we don't know what we are equal to out there.

Between the proton and the universe man is the measure of all things. Actually the only species interested in making measurements.



Best to all,

Pat

[sillysally]

Between the proton and the universe man is the measure of all things. Actually the only species interested in making measurements.



Best to all,

Pat

That's only according to man, you can't think like a human to understand it. As for God creating illusions, I agree, God is delusional. And no, I haven't read that book either.

So if God is playing tricks with your mind, why do you trust it?

[Profpat]

Hi Sally;

I don't trust it, I only trust God.

My mother once told me " Never trust a woman " she being a woman gave me my first conundrum.

What do you think Sally

Best,

Pat

[sillysally]

Your mom has too much influence over you and your a mama's boy.