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| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? [quote=sillysally;36475]Your mom has too much influence over you and your a mama's boy.[/quote Not fair SillySally every man child is, and you didn't answer my question. Best, Pat P.S. And you have penis envy | | | | 9th degree Black Belt
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10-17-2007, 02:15 PM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? I think Sally nailed you Pat. No sense getting nasty about it...
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10-17-2007, 02:22 PM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie I think Sally nailed you Pat. No sense getting nasty about it... | Oh Lloyd that is not nasty. I would never knowingly be nasty to anyone, including you and Sally. She didn't nail me Lloyd, she is absolutely correct. But if I insulted you SALLY, then I appologize. Best to all, Pat | | | | Master
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10-17-2007, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Profpat P.S. And you have penis envy | I have had ephuckingnuff dick in life to not wish I was one. Besides, I think I live with the biggest one already. Nice try though. Not offended at all, I like lighthearted humor.
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10-17-2007, 03:46 PM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? [quote=sillysally;36500]I have had ephuckingnuff dick in life to not wish I was one. Besides, I think I live with the biggest one already. Nice try though. Not offended at all, I like lighthearted humor.[/quote Now that is funny Sally And thank you for taking it the way it was meant. So can I trust a woman? Best to you, Pat | | | | Brown Belt Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 176
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| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? Answer: Both. Profpat. Quote: |
I don't think pi or a mobius strip to be paradoxical, maybe irrational.
| ---Why not? Pi may be questionable, as it might have an end, but the mobius strip has as a part of its existence infinity and the finite. Just as many other things do, depending on the perception.
---Follow the plane of the mobius and you will not ever reach the end, making it infinite in that aspect/perception/context. Yet, us viewing the entirety of a strip and it having edges/boundaries makes for it being finite.
---To bring the concept of synergy into this thread: discussing a part/the strip/(a) of the whole/reality/(b) and showing that that part/(a) has those aspects, as a part of (a)’s existence, in some ways shows that (b) has the same aspects as a part of (b)’s existence.
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10-18-2007, 07:46 AM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? Pat, can you explain to me how it's a paradox (the Zeno thing that you say I put a new twist on)? While you are at it, tell me where is space opposites exist.
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10-18-2007, 01:52 PM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? ANswer: Both. Profpat.
---Just a quick note to correct an error I made in the previous post.
---I stated that, "Pi may be questionable, as it might have an end ", when I should have stated, "Pi may be questionable, as it might have another end".
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10-18-2007, 07:26 PM
| | Re: Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ? Answer: Both. Quote:
Originally Posted by futrethink Profpat.
---Why not? Pi may be questionable, as it might have an end, but the mobius strip has as a part of its existence infinity and the finite. Just as many other things do, depending on the perception.
---Follow the plane of the mobius and you will not ever reach the end, making it infinite in that aspect/perception/context. Yet, us viewing the entirety of a strip and it having edges/boundaries makes for it being finite.
---To bring the concept of synergy into this thread: discussing a part/the strip/(a) of the whole/reality/(b) and showing that that part/(a) has those aspects, as a part of (a)’s existence, in some ways shows that (b) has the same aspects as a part of (b)’s existence. | Hi Futrethink; Sorry I don't find a mobius strip to be any more paradoxical than a wedding ring. To me a paradox has to be contradicatory, and I see no contradiction in pi or a mobius strip. Just my thoughts, Pat | | | | Grandmaster
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10-18-2007, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sillysally Pat, can you explain to me how it's a paradox (the Zeno thing that you say I put a new twist on)? While you are at it, tell me where is space opposites exist. | Hi Sally; It's a method of proof called Reductio Ad Absurdum, also called contradiction. This is where you break something down to its infinite components, and you end upwith a paradox. In your case you are assuming that time at its smallest or largest can't be measured, and therefore, we are in eternity. You may be right. I usually reserve the words of infinite or eternal to God. Now back to your case we have quanta time to the rescue, or plancks time, the theoritical smallest unit of time,
Planck's Time Planck's Time is how long it takes for light to travel Planck's length. At Planck's length relitivity breaks down and actions across smaller lengths are worthless, as an effect this is the smallest length of significance. As described by relitivity nothing can travel faster that the speed of light. So to find Planck's Time/Time Quanta - the smallest amount of time. We have to do the sum: Planck's constant (The smallest distance) divided by The speed of light (The fastest speed) and this will equal the smallest part of time, which is Planck's Time/Time Quanta. As and effect we get the following value for Planck's Time: 1 x 10^-34m divided by 3 x 10^8 m/sec So this means Planck's Time is about 3.3 x 10^-44secs. This is the smallest amount of time. Now to your question as to where is the opposite of space. Space I view to be the entire universe and everything in it. Its opposite would be the void where nothing exist and its touching our universe. Best, Pat
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