Is The Universe Infinite Or Finite ?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lloyd.
---Let’s go back to the basics.
---Do you agree as to the generalized definition that I put forward for the word? Paradox: something that has two opposite/contradicting/supposedly canceling/canceling aspects as a part of its existence.

No, as that definition is too confining and convoluted to what is usually meant by paradox...

Oxford dictionary definition:
paradox


• noun 1 a seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition that may in fact be true. 2 a person or thing that combines contradictory features or qualities.

Lloyd

[futrethink]

Lloyd.

---Okay, then. To keep it simple let's stick with a sun being light and dark.
---Would you say that 'light' and 'dark' contradict each other?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lloyd.

---Okay, then. To keep it simple let's stick with a sun being light and dark.
---Would you say that 'light' and 'dark' contradict each other?

Absolutely not, Futrethink... I'd say they quite nicely compliment each other. Where else would we be, without such necessities of both...? Blind...?

Lloyd

[futrethink]

Lloyd.

Absolutely not, Futrethink... I'd say they quite nicely compliment each other.

---Hmm. Light, “Why hello Dark. Don’t you have such a nice shade of black on you.” Dark’s reply, “Why thank you Light. And don’t you show such lovely colours.”
---And back to being serious.
---At all times and in all contexts?
---Take for example: The sun’s light chasing away the night’s dark.
---Just because knowledge of one shows what the other is, doesn’t mean that they compliment each other at all times.

Where else would we be, without such necessities of both...? Blind...?

---No. Just seeing too much.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Is the universe infinite or finite? Numbers tell me it's infinite. Just consider a number system, even in our imagination, taking up at the least, photon space to visualize it, then realizing the number system has no end___It's eternally infinite. So the photons required to represent such an infinite number system, would fill all infinity... May be hard for all the minds on earth, working together, to visualize such an infinity, but with enough time, it's quite scientifically realizably possible, is it not...?

Just a stupid example, but one that is undeniably true...

Lloyd

[futrethink]

Lloyd.

Numbers tell me it's infinite.

---Numbers can be wrong. Mathematics has limits. And if there is a piece of information located outside, of the limits of mathematics, that shows a mistake in the mathematics, what do you do then?
---A discussion about: Proof that mathematics is not a "pure science"? (with two links given in connection with this discussion) from the anthropological angle and Coberst's reference to "Philosophy of the Flesh" and Lakoff's on humans and the concept of numbers. (didn't read it just added it).

Just consider a number system, even in our imagination, taking up at the least, photon space to visualize it, then realizing the number system has no end___It's eternally infinite.

---It is infinite, it is finite, it is both at the same time and it is neither of them (or any other subjective description).

May be hard for all the minds on earth, working together, to visualize such an infinity, but with enough time, it's quite scientifically realizably possible, is it not...?

---The possibility exists.

---And you are avoiding my question: At all times and in all contexts?
---Does light and dark compliment each other at all times and in all contexts or do they have contradictory aspects pertaining to the other’s existence?

[mkirkpatrick]

It is neither infinite or finite,in fact it is an illusion,albeit as Einstein said,"a very persistent
one".



regards michael

[Lloyd Gillespie]

---And you are avoiding my question: At all times and in all contexts?
---Does light and dark compliment each other at all times and in all contexts or do they have contradictory aspects pertaining to the other’s existence?

I'm not avoiding it. The question is too restrictively set up to answer sensibly...

Lloyd

[futrethink]

Lloyd.

The question is too restrictively set up to answer sensibly...

---Restrictive?? You have got to be kidding me. My translation of your post: You aren’t asking the question in a way that will allow me to be right.
---Then allow me to alter the question to give you, seemingly, less limits: Is there any times, in any contexts, when light and dark don’t compliment each other?
---It is essentially the same question.

[futrethink]

mkirkpatrick.

It is neither infinite or finite,in fact it is an illusion,albeit as Einstein said,"a very persistent one".

---Is that the only thing that he said in the particular conversations, in which, he used that thought?
---As the sentence puts forward, ‘It’ is an illusion.
This is from my post. #80:

---Yeah, well the things about illusions is that you are still perceiving something, that results in that illusion being a part of reality and thereby being a part of existence.
---An obvious optical illusion; the vase/two faces or the illusions that I use most of the time in my discussions: 3D (shark)
---Either one allows you to see something that does and doesn’t exist, just by altering your perception.
---Whether you change your perceptions or not, both of those illusions have those things as a part of their existence. Whether you believe that the 2D picture is 3D or not, that shark is still there.