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    Where are the one billion universes?

    Hi everyone;

    I have a new question to pose.Given the big bang, and the apparent inequality between matter and antimatter, in that everything wasn't annihilated at the beginning. The latest theory I heard was that for every one particle that survived 999,999,999,999 didn't.

    My question is this. Where is the energy from those one billion universes which were annihilated?

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    Thanks Profpat,these are theories,are they not? That being so there is no real evidence
    of the other universes,all energy that ever is,was,and ever will be the same,we have exactly enough for the job in hand,there is not one pulse more than what is absolutely
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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Yes sir, just theories.

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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    (I take it you mean particles, not universes)

    Plus (matter) and minus (antimatter)
    Mostly canceled each other out, although
    Some of each went free; however, by chance,
    Black holes destroyed more antimatter
    Than matter, leaving a slight excess of
    Matter with which to form the universe.
    or
    Antimatter exists as dark matter.
    or
    The pluses formed matter, energy,
    While the minuses formed gravity.
    or
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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Hi Austin,

    If for every partice that suvived a billion particles were annihillated, therefor for every universe that survived a billion universes were annihilated, and even stranger it would imply that a billion anti/universes were also annihilated during this process.

    This stuff can't just vanish down a dark hole, can it?
    I mean the conservation laws says that there is a conservation of mass and energy. You just can't create it or destroy it. You can only convert it. Unless you believe in the parallel universes, which may be the case.

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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Though it is not true, it does sell a lot of books and milk governments of many funding grants. It’s just media hype and science fiction Patrick. Matter and antimatter are the same fundamental stuff. Their interactions are a conversion of their particle form (mass) to their energy form (EM waves) of fundamental substance. That would be my guess.
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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Profpat,

    Please accept my condolences for your great loss of energy…I feel like that sometimes, too.

    Just a word's worth:

    “What, though the radiance which was once so bright be now forever taken from my sight. Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendor in the grass, glory in the flower. We will grieve not, rather find strength in what remains behind.”

    (We have astronomical amounts of matter left around—more than we'll ever need.)

    If black holes ate it, will it ever return?

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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
    Hi everyone;

    I have a new question to pose.Given the big bang, and the apparent inequality between matter and antimatter, in that everything wasn't annihilated at the beginning. The latest theory I heard was that for every one particle that survived 999,999,999,999 didn't.

    My question is this. Where is the energy from those one billion universes which were annihilated?

    Thanks,

    Profpat
    The annihilation of particles and antiparticles in the early universe created around 2 billion photons. The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is, basically, the energy left over from this annihilation.
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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Still doesn't add up Neutralino. The estimates I heard that for every particle that we have, between 100 million and 1 billion particles were annhilated. Therefore # of particles that we have in our
    universe X ( 100 million to 1 billion ) = # of photons. Which should be a whole lot more than 2 billion, unless of course we have 2 to 20 particles in our universe.
    Being an accountant something doesn't add up.

    To quote Desi " Somebody has lot of splaining to do Lucy"
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    Re: Where are the one billion universes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
    Being an accountant something doesn't add up.
    Sorry, I didn't say what I meant to say above. What I meant to say was that the annihilation created two billion photons per particle we have in the universe now.

    You can think of this as follows: there were one part in a billion more particles than antiparticles in the early universe. Since particles and antiparticles annihilate, this means that, for every particle we see nowadays there must have been one billion particles and one billion antiparticles that annihilated, creating two billion photons.


    N.B. I don't claim the numbers are exact, but the are about right to an order of magnitude.
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