[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by MJA Photons of energy or mass are equal or one and the same. That's what I think. = MJA

I think you got one right, MJA...

[cosvis]

Hi to all who are interested in cosmic theories.

I am glad of your responce, Pat, and I hope to hear from others also. The mass of a photon is not relativity mass because the photon has no rest mass, it is constantly on the move with the speed of light. I is, however, affected by gravitation and thus must have a gravitational element. I call it virtual mass and it is not like a particle. I rather think of it as a string or wave. Scientists are speculating about strings in the universe and they propose a particle know as a graviton. I rather think that a photon consists basically, of two strings made up of gravitational and kinetic energies. These energies of a photon or quantum particle, are equal, opposite but conserved. We know how much energy it has; the amount of energy of a plank constant, and thus we can work out the quantity of its virtual mass.

E = f h

where E stands for the energy of the photon, f stands for the number of the frequency of the photon, and h is the energy of a plank constant. But we also know from Einstein:
E = mcc

energy is mass times the speed of light square. Thus:

(vm) = (f h) / cc

(vm) stands for the virtual non rest mass of a photon.

If this theory so far, is true, it might give a new insight to the problem of the 90% missing mass of the universe. It might be in fact just all the radiation that is contained in the universe, especially around galaxies. If the photon is basically made of two equal, opposite and conserved gravitational and kinetic energy waves or strings, it might also give a new insight to the string theories of the universe.

There are lots of new and interesting ideas to come in this theory, please share with us your ideas.

Yours Cosvis.

[cosvis]

Hi Pat and to all,

I like to continue to share with you the second step of my ideas about the TOE physical universe theory and particularly the photon or quantum particle. I tried to show before that the photon is a conserved quantum particle which constists of two conserved, equal and opposite gravitaional and kinetic energies and forces. It continuously moves at the speed of light and it has virtual mass and I also postulated that the two energies and forces are of a string formation.

I think that if the the two kinetic and gravitational forces and energies in a quantum particle are conserved equal and opposite they form a black hole. Einstein proved that an object with a rest mass increasing in speed gains mass and decreases in size and its time also decreases. It can never reach the speed of light because its mass would become infinite and the time factor becomes zero. However, the quantum particle travels at the speed of light so its time must be zero. It must not be forgotten that the mass of a quantum particle has no rest mass but is virtual. If this is so than the quantum particle is in a different dimension than a particle with rest mass which is subject to the time factor. In other words the quantum particle exists in a different dimension. It can be regarded as the fifth dimension. Einstein discovered it but I think he did not recognize it and thus he had such difficulty of reconciling the quantum theory with his own relativity theory.

If the quantum dimension has no time factor than the laws of relativity do not apply and Newtonian laws of energies can be used. The kinetic energy of a photon would be :
K = ((vm) c c ) /2
where K stands for Kinetic energy. (vm) stands for the virtual mass of the photon particle and c stands for the speed of light. The gravitational energy formular of the quantum particle would be:

U = G ((vm) (vm)) / vR
where U stands for the potential energy formula of the quantum particle, G stands for the universal gravitational constant; (vm) stands for the virtual mass and vR stands for the virtual radius of the quantum particle. However the total mass of a system of energy is the sum of both its kinetic and potential gravitational energies or:

E = K + U
The sum of both the kinetic and gravitationl energies are thus:

vR = 2 G (vm) / cc
This is the Schwartzschield radius formula of a black hole, the only differences are that it is a black hole consisting of a virtual mass particle and not a particle with rest mass and it has a virtual radius. If this theory is true than it will have great implications of understanding our universe, its beginning and its continuous evolution evolution.

Yours cosvis.

[Profpat]

Hi Cosvis;

First you may be right in everything you stated, I am an accounting professor, and therefore lack the credentials for a propre review.

That disclaimer having been made, here are some of my questions and comments.

1. I found this one site that may be of interest to you:


A Hierarchy of Gravitational Effects 1) At the microscopic or quantum-mechanical level, we have the initial (non-gravitational) production of time from space as a consequence of the collapse of a free electromagnetic wave to a bound energy form. "Frequency" multiplied by "wavelength" = c, the electromagnetic constant, the "velocity of light". Even though light has no time or distance dimension (x, t), both time ("frequency") and space ("wavelength") are implicitly present in the formulation or composition of an electromagnetic wave (light). The wave itself contains an implicit temporal element expressed as "frequency", which switches to an explicit condition when the wave collapses, revealing the entropic time "charge" of bound energy. The collapse is a transition from the spatial, "wavelength", and symmetric expression of free energy to the temporal, "frequency", and asymmetric expression of bound energy; a transition from the intrinsic motion (c) of light in which "wavelength" is explicit, to the intrinsic motion (T) of matter's time dimension in which "frequency" is explicit. This is a transition from 2 to 4 dimensions, a transition from non-local, atemporal, acausal light to local, temporal, causal chains of matter. The electromagnetic entropy "coin" flips from implicit time and explicit space ("velocity c"), to explicit time and implicit space ("velocity T"). (See: "The Conversion of Space to Time" and "Gravity Diagram No. 2".) This is a transition between the entropy gauges, coefficients, or drives (c and T) associated with the free and bound forms of electromagnetic energy, and the dimensional conservation domains created by their intrinsic motions (space vs history).

You can access the site at,( http://people.cornell.edu/pages/jag8/double.html ), if you are interested.

2. I'm not sure about your 5th dimensional particle, Cosvis. Again, the photon is a 2 dimensional transvese wave, and you are right no time dimension.
So you'll have to slowly go through the steps with me as to how you built a 5th dimensional particle from a 2 dimensional tranverse wave. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranverse_wave )

3. Are you sure about the conservation of gravity? I believe it to be true, but have been able to support that.

4. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND VIRTUAL ANYTHING.
How can a particle with a rest mass of 0 have virtual mass? You may be right but as i stated I don't understand it.

5. Doesn't Schwarzchild solution have to do with a gravitational field outside a SPHERICAL, ( which the photon isn't ) non rotating MASS ( which the photon hasn't )

6. I'm not sure where you going with this Cosvis, IF everything you stated is true, then what?

7. Why would the kinetic and gravitational, if there, be equal?

Best to you Cosvis,

Pat

[cosvis]

Hi to Pat and all,

Thank you for your very good reflections and I am not sure if I can help you very much and thank you for the different sites which I hope to visit and to study. I think the difficult part of the quantum dimension is what is called quantum weirdness. Looking at it from one side it seems to be a particle and then looking at it from another side it looks like wave or string. It shows two properties eg. it has a gravitational effect and at the same time it has a kinetic effect, it moves at the speed of light. Is it a particle or is it a wave? I think it is both, it is a blackhole moving at the speed of light. We will never stop it nor will we ever be able to view the blackhole.

If I could just give a quick and simple idea of my understanding of dimensions. The first dimension is a view of physical reality represented by just figures made of lines. The second dimension are figures drawn of boxes, triangles and circles. The third dimension figures is drawn of length, depth and hight. The fourth dimension adds a time factor and Einstein gave us the relativity theory. The fifth dimension or quantum dimension is of a reality where time viewed from our fourth dimension, has stopped or is nill. From our perspective then, the quantum effects are instantaneous; its gravitational effect on the universe is instantaneous wherever, because it is in a dimension where there is no time viewed from our dimension. This seems strange, and quantum weirdness is strange to us but we have to be able to think multi-dimensional.

You asked Pat, where these ideas are leading towards? I feel it is a new way of looking at the physical universe. This is my theory that at the beginning, in eternity, we cannot say when it began because it was before time existed, the universe existed of finite quantity of radiant energy or light. There also existed all the physical laws that govern the evolutionary process according to which the universe has evolved and will continue to evolve for ever, from eternity to eternity.

Next time I hope to give some idea how this light energy was formed into all the galaxies, stars and all the heavenly bodies.

Yours Cosvis.

[cosvis]

Hi to all.

Lloyd Gillespie L.G. stated above that "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite and universal constant." I would agree with him because it very well describes the behaviour of the quantum dimension. Sometimes the quantum seems to be a particle having mass and at other times it seems to be a wave. We can not determent its exact position because it is constantly on the move at the speed of light.

The weirdness of the quantum dimension is due to the fact that we observe it from the fourth space-time dimension. To us the quantum particle moves in dimension where there is no time and so the particle can be instantaneous anywhere in the universe because it takes no time for it to move there. One effect of this could be that there is a universal gravitational constant operating throughout the universe.

This universal gravitational constant of the universe depends on the mass and the radius of the universe. Since mass is basically made of quantum particles and as we have speculated above, the universe consists of finite quantity of energy, it can be said that the mass of the universe is also constant. If the total mass of the universe including alll the virtual mass of the radiant energies is constant than it can be speculated that its radius is also constant because the universe could be a black hole:

R = (2 G M) / (cc)

(Schwartzschield radius) Where R is the radius of the universe, G stands for the universal gravitational constant, M stands for all the mass of the universe including all the virtual mass of the radiant energies in the universe and c stands for the speed of light.

That the universe itself could be a black-hole has to be proven and I hope to show some supporting evidences for it, at another time. If my TOE physical universe theory is right, it would put in doubt many other theories and speculations that are popular today. It would question the Big Bang Theory, the singularity, multi-universes, time travel, space warps, worm holes and may be many other beautiful and ingenious ideas. To me some of these theories are beautiful speculations that make good motif for Holiwood movies. I do enjoy the movies very much; but I doubt that they have much real scientific value and foundation. That is just my opinion!

Yours Cosvis

[cosvis]

Hi to all.

We may say that Sir Isaac Newton discovered gravity and he gave us the three basic laws of motion. He viewed the universe in a three dimensional perspective because the idea of Albert Einstein's space time four dimensional universe was not yet formulated. But there is one theory Newton held that is still valid today besides his three laws of motion, and that is the idea that all objects of the universe are affected and held together by gravity. It was Albert Einstein through his brilliant insight in physical reality that discovered the fact that objects moving at the speed of light must be moving in a dimension where time is nill when viewed from the fourth dimension. It was also Einstein that showed by his famous formula:

E = m cc
that all matter constists of quanta particles or rays of light which are affected by gravity. Therefore, it can be speculated that if all objects of the universe are held together by gravity, they form a huge gravitational field of energy from which nothing can escape. The only object that we know from which nothing can escape, not even light, is a black-hole.

There are other evidences that can indicate that the universe is a black hole but I like to leave that for later.

Yours Cosvis.

[Profpat]

Hi Cosvis;

So we are living in Alice's rabbit hole?

Maybe.

I do agree that your photon is the quanta particle, and I like the theory of gravitational energy and kinetic energy being equal.
If the photon did have mass, it could explain a few things, and maybe the universe being a giant black hole.

I believe it was you Cosvis ,who mentioned about eternity becoming or maybe it was turning into eternity?
How many eternities are there? I know there are different infinities.

Also do believe in the big bang or created universe?

Best to you,

Pat

[cosvis]

Hi Pat and all,

I rather not talk about creation here at this time, because creation involves a creator who is able to create out of nothing. I would reserve that topic for a discussion on the third aspect of universal reality, or the spiritual aspect of the cosmos. I brievely talked about it at the introduction of this thread. It would involve a discussion on theology and the existence of God which would complicate our discussion on my TOE view of the pysical universe.

I believe there is only one universe and not multi-universes and that time in our universe began when the space-time or the fourth dimension evolved from the fifth dimension. In the beginning as I believe and mentioned before, there existed only pure energy, quanta particles and all the physical principles that govern the evolutionary process of the universe. The quanta particles had a gravitational attraction and existed in a dimension where there is no time factor when viewed from our fourth or space time dimensional universe as shown by Einstein. If they existed in no time they must have existed in eternity. Than the universe evolved and I believe, the universe will continue to evolve for ever, or in other words, for eternity. Thus I say the universe exists from eternity to eternity.

Time began when matter and anti matter was formed or the fourth dimension in which we exist and which is familiar to us. The anti matter is so separated from the matter in the universe that scientists have difficulties in explaining how this is possible and where is the anti matter. The fact that matter and anti matter can be formed from energy is well known, I believe, because the scientists are able to form new elements that do not normally exist in nature. The question remains how does the evolution of matter and anti matter in the universe occur and where is the anti matter?

Yours Cosvis.

[Profpat]

Hi Cosvis;

Good question, where is the antimatter?

Physicist, who believe in the big bang, now have an asymmetrical big bang to account for it. For every particle of matter that made it through a billion particles of matter and antimatter were annihilated.
Thus destroying CPT symmetry.

Paul Dirac, the one who theorized about antimatter thought it was out there in our universe, in another section yet, to be discovered. When there was virtually no evidence for this, he gave up on that theory. Now we know that only a small portion of our universe is observable because of spatial expansion, so Dirac may have been correct.

I do not like an asymmetrical universe idea, and so I thought maybe a parallel antimatter universe. In the lab when they "create" antimatter, and it goes through a verticle magnetic field, matter goes in one direction and antimatter goes in the opposite direction.

What are your thoughts Cosvis, or any other toequesters thoughts on this matter or should I say antimatter.

Best to you,

Pat