Scientific American in its latest article about cosmic turbulations states that the Universe can be recycled from one phase to another. So its a cycle of Life and Death for the Universe and of course rebirth (in the scientific parlance)....
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Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle
Which is exactly what I did. I cannot be responsible for your inability to read! - You have been talking about 'perpetual motion', quite readily, and I merely stated that 'cosmos recycled' is another description of the same thing. You are therefore squabbling needlessly about words, without understanding their meaning. A common problem for Humans, currently, so don't worry about it - you're one of 'us'!
You said basic math, and included it in your previous responses - c^2 - to represent the conversion factor. When a mass is multiplied by the speed squared it is energy - (1/2)mv^2. My point is that the matter is absolute, both mass-wise and energy-wise, and is quantized according to relative motion in the form of either stored energy - mass - or squared as energy. So massive interactions result in more energy coming out of a system than is put into it. The event horizon is what I propose as the absolute point of creation/annihilation of ordered information. Radiation comes out of a black hole, if you categorize that as a thing, as a changed state of what meets the horizon - the event being the annihilation event.
Dip,
I suggest that kinetic energy is what creates mass from matter, and is not unusable but stored as the intrinsic energy of massive "particles."
Can you use some equations so I know what you're actually talking about?
Anyway, I thought we were discussing creation of mass inside a black hole event horizon? This is not going to be a perpetual motion machine, since anything inside an event horizon cannot get out into the rest of the universe.
Neutralino, you better re-read Hawking's and many others' ideas about radiation escaping black holes. Hawking's newest ideas may be an eye-opener. Also, it's been experimentally x-ray filmed, by the newest sattelites...
Lloyd
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Though I am not extremely aware of what Hawkins said lately, I know for sure that radiation will leave the black hole (event horizon) in some form of low energy EM waves...
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie
Neutralino, you better re-read Hawking's and many others' ideas about radiation escaping black holes. Hawking's newest ideas may be an eye-opener. Also, it's been experimentally x-ray filmed, by the newest sattelites...
The weakest regions of black holes are at the axes. I would suspect if anything escapes it would be in those regions.
I also think this is correct.
pif.
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Note that Hawking radiation is a quantum effect, from the way the thread was going so far, it seemed like a classical conversation.
Hawking radiation has never been observed, mainly because the black holes we have "observed" are devouring hot gas, or stars, and so the Hawking radiation is clouded by this other radiation. Hawking radiation given off by a black hole is proportional to 1/M, where M is the mass of the black hole. Note that this should really be the mass-energy of the black hole, and so the sort of situation proposed above will not be an issue.
This is a very interesting theory. Could you please elaborate more on this?
All black holes are spinning at enormous speeds and thus mass will accumulate with higher density at the equator due to centripetal force. Have you ever seen a spherical galaxy? Particulate matter would fly apart at such spin velocities. Remember what I said about uniform motion producing mass even if it is called relative mass.
Photons with high enough energy do indeed create matter when they collide. This sort of thing is done in particle accelerators. See this link for some more info: http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/opal/gammag...-tutorial.html
Thanks for the link, Neutralino...
Regards,
Lloyd
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