It appears you have not yet registered with our community. To register please click here...

Theory of Everything  

  
Go Back   Theory of Everything > Physics > Cosmology
Reload this Page Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Register Website Toe Club Your Blog Arcade

Welcome to the Theory of Everything forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#1 (permalink))
Master
neutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura about
 
neutralino's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 717
Thanks Given: 29
Thanked 103x in 88 Posts
Join Date: Oct 2007
Rep Power: 11
   
Awards Showcase
1st Place - Monthly Theme Quiz 
Total Awards: 1
Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-09-2007, 08:24 PM

Prof Subir Sarkar of Oxford: http://arxiv.org/abs/0710.5307

Quote:

Several kinds of astronomical observations, interpreted in the framework of the standard Friedmann-Robertson-Walker cosmology, have indicated that our universe is dominated by a Cosmological Constant. The dimming of distant Type Ia supernovae suggests that the expansion rate is accelerating, as if driven by vacuum energy, and this has been indirectly substantiated through studies of angular anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and of spatial correlations in the large-scale structure (LSS) of galaxies. However there is no compelling direct evidence yet for (the dynamical effects of) dark energy. The precision CMB data can be equally well fitted without dark energy if the spectrum of primordial density fluctuations is not quite scale-free and if the Hubble constant is lower globally than its locally measured value. The LSS data can also be satisfactorily fitted if there is a small component of hot dark matter, as would be provided by neutrinos of mass 0.5 eV. Although such an Einstein-de Sitter model cannot explain the SNe Ia Hubble diagram or the position of the `baryon acoustic oscillation' peak in the autocorrelation function of galaxies, it may be possible to do so e.g. in an inhomogeneous Lemaitre-TinyTree-Bondi cosmology where we are located in a void which is expanding faster than the average. Such alternatives may seem contrived but this must be weighed against our lack of any fundamental understanding of the inferred tiny energy scale of the dark energy. It may well be an artifact of an oversimplified cosmological model, rather than having physical reality.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to neutralino For This Useful Post:
Lloyd Gillespie (11-10-2007)
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#2 (permalink))
Master
neutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura aboutneutralino has a spectacular aura about
 
neutralino's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 717
Thanks Given: 29
Thanked 103x in 88 Posts
Join Date: Oct 2007
Rep Power: 11
   
Awards Showcase
1st Place - Monthly Theme Quiz 
Total Awards: 1
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-10-2007, 07:40 AM

So, it seems that there are some physicists who are not convinced with dark energy. Of course, this line of thought is not all that new. It all boils down to future observations, in my opinion. Either we will see that the standard model is confirmed to even more accuracy, or we will see some anomolies that point out something else is going on out there. Either way, it's a very exciting time for cosmology!
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to neutralino For This Useful Post:
Lloyd Gillespie (11-10-2007), PoPpAScience (11-14-2007), RascalPuff (02-25-2008)
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#3 (permalink))
Seeker of the unknown
PoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enough
 
PoPpAScience's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 150
Thanks Given: 64
Thanked 33x in 31 Posts
Join Date: Feb 2006
Rep Power: 10
   
Awards Showcase
3rd Place - Monthly Theme Quiz 
Total Awards: 1
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-20-2007, 11:29 AM

What if 'dark matter' is the main body of the Universe? And 'matter' is 'dark matter' manifested into form? What if 'dark matter' forms into maybe 'strings' or something else, in order to become more, like 'Quarks'?

I remember over 30 years ago when photo's of galaxies where in negative form, how they looked like whirlpools, in an ocean of something. I am trying to find some of these on the internet, so I can link to them for others to see. Maybe someone else can find one.


Allen.

"Paradox of Potential popped Aware." ~Allen Barrow

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." ~Albert Einstein 1879 - 1955

"Condemnation without Investagation is the Heigth of Ignorance" ~Albert Einstein

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." ~Galileo Galilei.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#4 (permalink))
Blue Belt
Unreal Zelta is on a distinguished roadUnreal Zelta is on a distinguished road
 
Unreal Zelta's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 109
Thanks Given: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rep Power: 10
   
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-21-2007, 02:37 AM

Pop,

I took your offer and found one,
http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/59548305

What would be the mechanism behind the reformations? If indeed quarks are fabricated from dark matter, what would its(dark matter) dimensions be? As I would imagine it to be infinitesimally small, and maybe this is why we cannot detect it or perhaps our methods of measurement is insufficient (e.g. the SI quantities and such that we use are merely measuring the end products of interactions between more fundamental systems?)

Best regard

Zelta


"Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life"

"But although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from experience."

"Happiness is not an ideal of reason, but of imagination."

Immanuel Kant
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#5 (permalink))
Seeker of the unknown
PoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enoughPoPpAScience will become famous soon enough
 
PoPpAScience's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 150
Thanks Given: 64
Thanked 33x in 31 Posts
Join Date: Feb 2006
Rep Power: 10
   
Awards Showcase
3rd Place - Monthly Theme Quiz 
Total Awards: 1
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-21-2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Zelta View Post
Pop,

I took your offer and found one,
http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/59548305

What would be the mechanism behind the reformations? If indeed quarks are fabricated from dark matter, what would its(dark matter) dimensions be? As I would imagine it to be infinitesimally small, and maybe this is why we cannot detect it or perhaps our methods of measurement is insufficient (e.g. the SI quantities and such that we use are merely measuring the end products of interactions between more fundamental systems?)

Best regard

Zelta
Zelta,
Thanks for the link. Even though that is the type of photo I am talking about, there are way better examples. I linked one here, http://http://www.pbase.com/strongma...image/55271714, that is of the angle needed to really see it. Tilted toward the line of sight is even better. When you see one I am talking about, you will be surprised at how real it looks.

Because we can not see or capture a quark to see what it is made of, we are probably a long way from knowing what the dimensions are. But there is no doubt in my mind that we, and the Galaxies that we are traveling in, are floating on a sea of wavelengths that do have very small dimensions, much smaller then the Quarks.

There has been enough scientific proof, that there is more then meets the eye, with the interactions of Galaxies and their environment. Having seen those photo's 30 years ago I have always pictured the Universe this way. As an ocean of very small wavelengths (radiation).


Allen.

"Paradox of Potential popped Aware." ~Allen Barrow

"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." ~Albert Einstein 1879 - 1955

"Condemnation without Investagation is the Heigth of Ignorance" ~Albert Einstein

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." ~Galileo Galilei.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#6 (permalink))
Blue Belt
Unreal Zelta is on a distinguished roadUnreal Zelta is on a distinguished road
 
Unreal Zelta's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 109
Thanks Given: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rep Power: 10
   
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-22-2007, 04:01 AM

Pop,

Thanks for the new link, it is much clearer. The usage of the words wavelength and radiation seem to fall into very strict rules, can you please elaborate?

I am also still curious on the mechanism behind the reformations.

Best regards

Zelta


"Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life"

"But although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from experience."

"Happiness is not an ideal of reason, but of imagination."

Immanuel Kant
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#7 (permalink))
Grandmaster
Profpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to beholdProfpat is a splendid one to behold
 
Profpat's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,099
Thanks Given: 295
Thanked 508x in 467 Posts
Join Date: May 2007
Rep Power: 45
   
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-22-2007, 09:25 AM

Hi everyone;

Could those very small radiation wavelengths be called or described as strings?

Best

Pat
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure?
Old
  (#8 (permalink))
9th degree Black Belt
Lloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura aboutLloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura aboutLloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura aboutLloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura aboutLloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura aboutLloyd Gillespie has a spectacular aura about
 
Lloyd Gillespie's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,579
Thanks Given: 114
Thanked 44x in 42 Posts
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rep Power: 26
   
Re: Is the Evidence for Dark Energy Secure? - 11-23-2007, 02:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
Hi everyone; Could those very small radiation wavelengths be called or described as strings?Pat
No, no, no, no, no, etc... Yet you could, but you'd be very wrong...

Lloyd


"To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
"Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
"The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
"The tick-tick-tick of the cesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com