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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    First I am just asking you if you can see that matter can come in two forms
    Dear Graybeard,

    The answer is no; there is only one form of matter, i.e. the conventional (normal) matter which compose of electrons and protons. For example, hydrogen atom that is the simplest form of matter which composes of one electron and one proton. Even we can create anti-hydrogen atom, but it is not stable, so it seems impossible to create a more complicate atom of matter!

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Dear Graybeard,

    The answer is no;


    Dear Nimit ..... If we can create anti-hydrogen ,,,,, then it can exist ??

    It does not matter at the moment, for this explanation, that

    1 .. matter and anti-matter annihilate
    2 .. that anti-matter is unstable and only exists for a short time.

    What we call a 'short-time' is subjective .... there was a time in the early universe when nothing was stable, and yet phase changes occurred that locked matter into certain forms.

    So I must ask again, do you agree that hydrogen (matter) and anti-hydrogen (anti-matter) exist, or can exist, for even the shortest time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    there is only one form of matter, i.e. the conventional (normal) matter which compose of electrons and protons. For example, hydrogen atom that is the simplest form of matter which composes of one electron and one proton. Even we can create anti-hydrogen atom, but it is not stable, so it seems impossible to create a more complicate atom of matter!

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    These are quotes from your previous posts in this thread, in which you asked that we put aside questions that were side-issues and you would explain later:


    Nimit Quote:
    ... in which we will explain it latter.
    ... in which I will gradually explain it next.
    ... summarize about what we have talked (and will give more detail) about vacuum medium.
    ... Next post, we will explain how vacuum medium could improve


    I too, will explain it later, but just for the moment we need to acknowledge that the two forms exist, or can exist ??

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Dear Nimit ....

    So now we have matter in two forms .......

    1 .. Hydrogen (and all other elements and molecules)
    2 .. Anti-Hydrogen (and all other anti-elements and anti-molecules)

    But we can also now build matter in a third form. We can construct mirror-images of matter ... that is, we just build a complete reverse image



    Do you agree ??

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Is this physics, or Startrek...???

    I'd like to see an anti-space-ship...

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    Is this physics, or Startrek...???
    Your a little critical, a little early .... I haven't even started to explain ?

    Try to curb your impatience bud

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    ..... If we can create anti-hydrogen ,,,,, then it can exist ??

    It does not matter at the moment, for this explanation, that

    1 .. matter and anti-matter annihilate
    2 .. that anti-matter is unstable and only exists for a short time.

    What we call a 'short-time' is subjective .... there was a time in the early universe when nothing was stable, and yet phase changes occurred that locked matter into certain forms.

    So I must ask again, do you agree that hydrogen (matter) and anti-hydrogen (anti-matter) exist, or can exist, for even the shortest time ?
    Dear Graybeard,

    OK. I try to agree that hydrogen (matter) permanently exist, while anti-hydrogen (anti-matter) temporary exist. And what is next?

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Dear Graybeard,

    OK. I try to agree that hydrogen (matter) permanently exist, while anti-hydrogen (anti-matter) temporary exist. And what is next?

    Sincerely,
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    Thank you Nimit.

    Matter and anti-matter are two forms of matter. Neither has a 'reality' over the other. Neither is temporary, or both are temporary. We prefer, and are familiar with, matter ... but this is subjective because we are made from it. But anti-matter is just as 'legitimate'.

    Regarding matter in its mirror image form (not anti-matter). At first it was believed that they were identical ... that is a 'left-hand-drive' car would behave the same as a 'right-hand-drive' car ...two clocks, one built as a mirror image of the other would both keep the same time. Left cannot (by Physical Laws) be distinguished from right and north cannot be distinguished from south.

    In other words by flipping all 3 spatial co-ordinates there is no change under the Laws of Physics. Reflexion Symmetry.

    The idea that this may not be true was slowly growing through the first half of the last century and it was suggested that parity may not be conserved. But this was not taken seriously until the Lee-Yang experiment in 1957. Basically the Lee-Yang experiment showed that only the left-handed attributes of particles and the right-handed attributes of anti-particles participate in Weak interactions. it was shown that parity is conserved by the EM force, Gravity, and the Strong Nuclear force ... but not the Weak Nuclear force.

    This led Feynman to propose the following hypothesis:

    That if we were to build a clock out of matter (wot else ?) that marks time by counting electron flow instead of a spring ... and also to construct another clock (out of matter) as a mirror image of the original then these two clocks would keep different time. It can be easily shown that you must also reverse north-south poles as surely as you reverse all the spatial co-ordinates in a mirror image according to the laws of magnetism and current flow.

    The two clocks would record different times. One would count less electrons ejected from the cobalt than the other. This turns out to be true for all matter ? Parity is not respected by the Weak Force. Reflexion symmetry does not hold.



    Feynman's hypothesis is that matter comes in all 4 forms .... following diagrams.



    If matter <> antimatter (or mirror-image-matter and mirror-image-anti-matter) contact they annihilate, (presumably because they are symmetrical and opposite) [below]



    Matter and Mirror-image-matter interact freely and normally (in fact the observable universe is probably made up of both ?) [below]



    But Matter and Mirror-image-anti-matter do not interact at all (nor mirror-image-matter and anti-matter) They have the same attributes. [below]




    And, in a roundabout way, symmetry is restored by this hypothesis.

    These are the components that make up the Universe and the non-interacting parts are candidates for Dark matter/Dark energy. The fact that they do not appear in equal quantities may have its roots in the evolution of the Universe in the first few nano-seconds.

    This was proposed by Feynman.

    Wot do you think ?

    cool bananas ... greg
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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Though I am not familiar with this topic, or the parties whose theories you quote, Greg, the discussion underway is of interest because of the examples you are using in your explanation.

    From time to time, certain ideas expressed on various threads 'tug' at my comprehension, and bid me to file them away for future consideration.

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Dear Nimit .... wot happened ... Is my idea crazy, but just not crazy enough ???

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    Re: Dark energy is in front of your eyes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    Dear Nimit .... wot happened ... Is my idea crazy, but just not crazy enough ???
    Dear Graybeard,

    No, how could I dare say that the great Feynman idea is crazy! What I have done is go back to refresh his lecture in the topic “The reason for antiparticle” in the book “Elementary particle and the law of physics”. Below is my comment;


    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post

    Matter and anti-matter are two forms of matter. Neither has a 'reality' over the other. Neither is temporary, or both are temporary.
    Why?

    We prefer, and are familiar with, matter
    Yes!

    ... but this is subjective because we are made from it.
    It seems not so good logic!

    But anti-matter is just as 'legitimate'.
    How and why?

    .............
    ..........

    These are the components that make up the Universe and the non-interacting parts are candidates for Dark matter/Dark energy. The fact that they do not appear in equal quantities may have its roots in the evolution of the Universe in the first few nano-seconds.

    This was proposed by Feynman.

    Wot do you think ?

    There is one serious weak point; i.e. according to the relativistic quantum field in which his assumption was based on, the calculated energy of quantum activity (which give rise to particle-antiparticle) is approach infinity! So it seems that this is not a good candidate for the dark energy/matter.

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