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    What is curved space, could we understand it?

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    According to Einstein general theory of relativity (GTR), which said that gravity is due to curved space caused by a nearby material mass. Anyway, there is no explanation why and howmaterial mass created the surrounding curved space! And because GTR is non-aether based theory in which vacuum space is an empty space, so it is very difficult to visualize how an empty curve space looks like. But if we could improve GTR to be aether based theory with vacuum medium space, then it is possible to understand the curved space via the non uniform of its density!

    Here we will take a look for overall view; first we will summarize how Einstein had derived his conventional GTR as non aether-based theory. Next we will see why and how GTR has to change to aether-based theory, and finally we will see what we will gain from changing the base concept of the theory, please keep follow.

    (Note – this is a new version about curved space topic posted several year early.)

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Dear friends,

    Now Let us start with the idea that Einstein had extended GTR from STR in which the principle of relativity is valid only in the realm of inertial system (i.e. constant moving frame relative to each other) to the principle of equivalence, which cover system with non inertial reference frame (e.g. acceleration moving frame relative to each other).

    According to the principle of relativity of STR, laws of physics are the same for any inertial observer. In GTR, the principle of equivalence was generalized to include the observer in non initial system, and then laws of physics are the same for observer in any system!

    Next, from the principle of relativity, Einstein had found that an acceleration mass behave in the same way as the mass falling in gravitational field. Then he could derive his famous gravitational field equation which state that the geometry of the universe’s space-time is determined by the total mass and energy in the universe!

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Dear friends,

    According to thegravitational field equationof GTR, light ray (which is normally move in a straight line) passing a nearby massive mass, such as the sun, will bend in a way as show in the diagram 1a below. Anyway, the conventional explanation is that it is not because the sun that attract the passing light ray, instead, it is because of the nearby space around the sun was curved (which then guide the light ray to follow the geodesic path). But the problem is that we cannot visualize how the space is curved!


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    Figure 1 Light ray path through curved space-time

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Dear friends,

    As we have seen the conventional curved space (of empty space) which was represent by the distortion of rubber sheet in the fig. 1a in the last post, the problem is that we cannot understand how the space is curved!

    Nowif we accept that vacuum space is not an abstract empty space, instead it is a physical space of vacuum medium (something like aether), then we could improvethe conventional non aether based GTR to be aether based theory with vacuum medium space, then it is possible to understand the curved space via the non uniform of vacuum medium density as show in the diagram 1b).(Note, we have proved the existing of vacuum medium space in the topic “Dark energy is in front of your eye”)

    To visualize how the bending of light ray path passing through vacuum medium space in 1b, it is easy to understand by using an analogy of the bending of light ray path in the earth atmosphere. Close to the earth surface, air density is denser than the far away air, so when light ray is passing from a smaller reflection index area (lower air’s density) to a higher reflection index area (higher air’s density), then the light ray will bending down to the earth surface.

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Dear friends,

    Up to now, we have seen new meaning ofcurved space via the non-uniform density of vacuum medium space, but could we explain two-dimension curve surface such as a part of basket ball surface in the new way? The answer is yes, we could explain it by using the diagram below.

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    Figure 2 comparing a curve surface with a flat surface

    In 2a), portion of curve surface of a basket ball was cut in order to flatten it as show in 2b). Then to make it as a complete flat sheet, we pull and glue all the cut sections together as in 2 c). Finally we will get a completed flatten sheet with non-uniform area density, i.e. the sheet density will decrease where it is far away from the center. This is a new meaning of curve surface sheet – a non-uniform area density flat sheet surface! Note that it is not the same thing as a normal flat surface sheet (with uniform density) as show in 2d).

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Hi Nimit .... How do you get from 2b to 2c .... 2b consists of only a part of a circle ?

    Also, each segment in 2b is not flat but retains its original curve ?

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

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    Hi Nimit .... How do you get from 2b to 2c .... 2b consists of only a part of a circle ?
    Dear greg,

    Thanks for your valuable comment (which I always got from you).

    - We have to assume that basket ball parts could be stretch when we pull them!

    Also, each segment in 2b is not flat but retains its original curve ?
    You are right, if we just only do the cutting, then the cut parts in 2b will not be perfect triangle flat sheets, they still have some curvature. Actually, after cutting we have to press the curve triangle sheets to be a flatten sheets, then what we will get are the flat triangles with two curve (of the cut) sides.

    In another way, we could get 2c is by pressing 2a directly. And to be able to do so, the circular curve sheet with uniform area density (2a) has to be stretched in its outer part - the farter part from the center, the more stretched will be occurred at that part. This means that the flatten circular sheet will has a higher density at the center and then decreasing its density to the lowest value at the sheet rim!

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Dear greg,

    Thanks for your valuable comment (which I always got from you).

    - We have to assume that basket ball parts could be stretch when we pull them!



    You are right, if we just only do the cutting, then the cut parts in 2b will not be perfect triangle flat sheets, they still have some curvature. Actually, after cutting we have to press the curve triangle sheets to be a flatten sheets, then what we will get are the flat triangles with two curve (of the cut) sides.

    In another way, we could get 2c is by pressing 2a directly. And to be able to do so, the circular curve sheet with uniform area density (2a) has to be stretched in its outer part - the farter part from the center, the more stretched will be occurred at that part. This means that the flatten circular sheet will has a higher density at the center and then decreasing its density to the lowest value at the sheet rim!

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    Yes ... I understand what your saying now ... (I'm looking for the flaw ... lol)

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Dear friends,

    Now we will consider how material mass attract each other such as the earth pulling an apple down, earth attracts the moon or satellite in their orbits as shown in diagram 3 below, etc. Armed with the concept of vacuum medium space, it is easy to show that gravity is the mechanism of vacuum medium.


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    Figure 3 Attraction mechanism between two masses

    According to Newton or Einstein theories, gravity which show in diagram 3 a) is a mysterious force. In contrast to the concept of vacuum medium mechanism in which it is a physical mechanism. Two part of the mechanism involved; firstly gravity as its intrinsic property of material mass, secondly the gravity force is acting via vacuum medium – this is the mechanism of gravity!

    [In “Completed Einstein general theory of relativity, CGTR”, the full paper of this article, we have make a reasonable assumption that vacuum medium is the fabric structure of our space, and to preserve the principle of conservation of energy (mass), vacuum medium must have gravity as its intrinsic property! Also we have proved that proton and electron (two elementary particles which form to be material mass) are condensed vacuum medium, and then it will act like tiny black holes.)

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    Re: What is curved space, could we understand it?

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    In GTR, .... the geometry of the universe’s space-time is determined by the total mass and energy in the universe!
    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    if we accept that vacuum space is not an abstract empty space, instead it is a physical space of vacuum medium ......... then it is possible to understand the curved space via the non uniform of vacuum medium density as show in the diagram 1b).

    It is easy to understand by using an analogy of the bending of light ray path in the earth atmosphere. Close to the earth surface, air density is denser than the far away air, so when light ray is passing from a smaller reflection index area (lower air’s density) to a higher reflection index area (higher air’s density), then the light ray will bending down to the earth surface.
    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Now we will consider how material mass attract each other such as the earth pulling an apple down, earth attracts the moon or satellite in their orbits as shown in diagram 3. Armed with the concept of vacuum medium space, it is easy to show that gravity is the mechanism of vacuum medium.

    According to Newton or Einstein theories, gravity which show in diagram 3 a) is a mysterious force. In contrast to the concept of vacuum medium mechanism in which it is a physical mechanism. Two part of the mechanism involved; firstly gravity as its intrinsic property of material mass, secondly the gravity force is acting via vacuum medium – this is the mechanism of gravity!

    In “Completed Einstein general theory of relativity, CGTR”, the full paper of this article, we have make a reasonable assumption that vacuum medium is the fabric structure of our space, and to preserve the principle of conservation of energy (mass), vacuum medium must have gravity as its intrinsic property! Also we have proved that proton and electron (two elementary particles which form to be material mass) are condensed vacuum medium, and then it will act like tiny black holes.)

    Hi Nimit ..... The LHC has taken a 'photo' of the void or vacuum and that shows that it is a dynamic gluon field. So empty space, or the Vacuum Medium is not empty, and if all material mass is just foci points as you point out.

    Then ...... as a particle condenses ......

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    Though academic particle physics view charge as a property of the particles, it is not; it is the wave function interactions of the environmental fields of the point particle that determine charge. Every point particle supports field structures in its surrounding environment at various harmonic states.

    Let’s see if I can explain wave symmetry as it applies to particle structure. Perfect wave symmetry of a particle would mean that the substance of the particle (matter or energy; you chose) is vibrating at a single frequency. This means that for each wave cycle half of the substance is at a maximum state of motion and half of it is at a minimum state of motion; thus half is condensing to its most solid state while the other half is expanding to its least condensed state.

    Through each cycle, the substance passes through an instance that the standing waves disappear and the particle becomes a perfect sphere. The greater the frequency, the greater number of times this occurs. (Shorter wavelengths)

    A particle with perfect wave symmetry would not interact with any other particle or state of matter other than solid fundamental matter. (The state of matter prior to the Big Bang)

    The quantity of uniform motion of such objects is equivalent to “Absolute Motion”. (Greater than 2c) BTW: we cannot detect such a particle in this state unless it has a quantity of substance greater than all the matter in the universe; we do have the neutrino however as being the closest known perfect wave symmetry particle; it’s just not perfect though. You can view the neutrino as having the greatest uniform motion of wave symmetry and a black hole as having the greatest uniform angular motion. All linear uniform motion creates the kind of “Absolute particle” that started our universe.
    .... as a particle condenses ...... it limits its own ability to interact with the vacuum Medium. So, a neutrino, having the closest harmonic to perfect wave symmetry ... interacts the least with the Vacuum Medium ... or at least, other particles.

    This, I presume, is similar to saying that, (Nimit): 'Also we have proved that proton and electron (two elementary particles which form to be material mass) are condensed vacuum medium, and then it will act like tiny black holes.)'

    1 .. So why do they attract each other across the Vacuum Medium ... and why isn't the call of the vacuum Medium equal in all directions ... why only between the two objects. Why is the vacuum medium less dense between them than any other area ?

    2 ..And what is the 'messenger' particle that carries the attraction, or notifies the particles of the lessening density ... is it also condensed vacuum medium ?

    3 .. And what average harmonic state is the Vacuum medium in when it is not being dynamically altered by condensed particles ?

    hope there are not too many questions, Nimit

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