[Mikal]

Sorry Austie...the TOE is at one end and the Ear at the other...too far apart to be connected....chuckles

[austintorn@aol.com]

I'll work my way up.

[Mikal]

Chuckling now....wonder if Robert is around...smiles..oops did I say that...

[b1rdman]

There is no sound in the depths of space...

[Fredrick]

Thank you for those funny remarks, guys, I had a few chuckles too.

But I did not hear you say anything about the following:

Originally Posted by Fredrick Michael, I think you are correct when mentioning that an idea started our universe. Yet, if you know some of my other posts, you also know that I believe it was an idea that went awry. Any ideas on such idea?

B1rdman,

Care to explain that information you provided?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fredrick I'd like to contribute to this thread with requesting a closer look at words we use. If we can listen carefully to these words: "In the beginning there was the word," would we then conclude this was really a word? Or should we see it as a description, spoken by an ancient speaker who used specific words that got repeated, but who really wanted to let us in on how the universe was thought to have come into being. Did the speaker mean a word or did the speaker mean something else, such as movement, direction, pulse, interest, and the speaker could simply not find a better word than a word to use? Would the story have been accepted in those days if the speaker had said: an inclination? Would that have made that person laughable to others? Michael, I think you are correct when mentioning that an idea started our universe. Yet, if you know some of my other posts, you also know that I believe it was an idea that went awry. Any ideas on such idea?

Fredrick,Thank you for your comments here,we differ in as much as you think the original
idea somehow went awry,whereas I do not.

I see only absolute perfect ideation made "formal" involved through aeons of involtion,
then after a momentary "pause"(like slack water between tides)the current upward arc
of evolution is now under way.

regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Not so much that the idea or Cosmos went awry, but that, like anything, such as emotions or water moving around, the same thing can either go awry or be useful. Such the glories and the downfalls of freedom.

Guess sound waves can't travel through a 'vacuum'.

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Fredrick,Thank you for your comments here,we differ in as much as you think the original idea somehow went awry,whereas I do not. I see only absolute perfect ideation made "formal" involved through aeons of involtion, then after a momentary "pause"(like slack water between tides)the current upward arc of evolution is now under way. regards michael.

Thank you for that reply, Michael, and also yours, Austin, for you are catching me in the importance of word use; something I started out doing.

Michael, can you explain how it all started, using more words to describe perfect ideation? And what do you mean with involtion?

Best,

Fredrick

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Fredrick Thank you for that reply, Michael, and also yours, Austin, for you are catching me in the importance of word use; something I started out doing. Michael, can you explain how it all started, using more words to describe perfect ideation? And what do you mean with involtion? Best, Fredrick

Thats a tall order Fredrick,perfect ideation arises from within Absolute consciousness,
which is perfection,and the very core of BEING-LIFE-ITSELF,of which we know nothing
and is as a darkened flame.

I "see" the birth of motion at the point of the "idea=arising" from within absolute mind
"from absolute stillness arose motion,involution is the process of "wrapping up" principles
within principles as the great thought unrolls itself into new found space,involution is the
"involving" process putting in all those aspects that aeons later would begin to be unwrapped as the evolutionary phase began.We as I see it are all outposts of the one
central absolute consciousness,and which as we unfold more and more of the outer layers
of maya,reveal more and more of what we really our,which is totally different to what we
think we are!

That in a nut shell is the central idea of this thread.


regards michael.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com The word may have been a tiny dot that from some very little fundamental(s) passing each and thus causing some unstoppable rotation and growth. The powers of this 'will' or 'word' may have been long since exaggerated or simply made up by some newly evolved mammal specs living in the middle of nowhere in the Milky Way that claim to know the heretobefore way before it was even that.

The dot became a line, then a squiggle, appearing here, now. out of nowhere~~~~~~as words on the screen of awareness... after translation, of course...

"Eat, Survive, Reproduce" [When we took the word as our own... we lost our Pure intuition...words have been a replacement subsitute ever since]

Namaste`
D.