The Genesis Hypothesis - Page 2

dleviwing · 10-24-2005, 01:46 PM

Michael;
When I talk about matter as the single substance of the universe, I am saying just that; one substance. Matter does not come in types nor does it come in opposite matter. Anti-matter does not exist. There are structures of matter that appear to fit the definition of anti-matter when viewing particles, but they are of the same fundamental substance just as electrons and protons are of the same substance.

Your concepts of Black Holes and singularities are a bit too SiFi or religious for me. I don't agree with singularities as currently defined and I view Black Holes as the actual source of the fundamental quantum units of structure that leads to more complex particle structures. You mite say that Black Holes are the manufacturing plants of galaxies. They provide the raw material to create the stars.

Are you looking for a theological justification for existence other than a belief system defined by religions?

best regards;
Dave

chazzysaw · 01:55 PM

It is hard for us as humans to comprehend the universe without a beginning.We believe everything has a beginning and an end, things live and eventually die. To me all evidence show that the universe has been doing this, is doing this and will keep this life producing thing that it do. Especially when science astronomers find stars older than their theoretical age of the universe. I believe the Big Bang has been banging, is banging and will continue to bang. It seem that time becomes irrelevant. The Big Bang is the ever present Now, eternity. I have believed this for a long time and when I read about the string theory it kind of confirmed my beliefs.

quanta07 · 06:07 PM

I believe the genus of our universe was the UNION of distance and a particular point in Time.
Please see: http://www.toequest.com/forum/showth...=4237#post4237
Genisus? "In the beginning there was darkness upon the deep and then there was light",
(an expanse of distance only, no mass, no matter, no strings, no time, no energy....then Light)
Created in seven days(domains of time)?
Seven domains of multidimensional time, with coefficients of Volume, Surface Area, Distance, Velocity, Acceleration, Impulse, Flux. These domains, with their coefficients, constitute a function of expansion. From Bang to now...
I do not believe in the concept of 'substance' or 'mater' or the Aether theory.
I believe our cosmos is in a state of expansion, caused by this union,
AND that it IS expansion that creates/sustains ALL/EVERYTHING including Time itself.
My beliefs have nothing to do with religion, just the mathematics of expansion.
http://www.toequest.com/forum/mathematics-articles/427-the-pure-mathematics-space-time.html

Just my opinion......Q7

mkirkpatrick · **What is the matter with matter is it all in the mind! -** 10-24-2005, 07:04 PM

I tried to post this as a quote from your last post Dave,but alas the works computer would not allow me to do so,I am not looking for any theological
justifications,what I am looking for is to understand what I know,and to know what I understand,youfurther say that my concepts with regard black-holes
and singularities are a little too SiFi for you,well so they may be Dave,but there are many great minds around this here globe that would not agree! What science reports now about recent findings,and accepted theories 25 to thirty years ago would have seemed like SiFi too.We do seem to agree on one thing though,that matter is the single substance of the universe,although I would add
that this here matter,is just mind-ful ideation made manifest,but what the hell!
A great english bard once said "that a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?"

kind regards michael.

dleviwing · 01:57 PM

Michael and Q7;
Both your interpretations require a form of magic or supernatural foundation. This infers religion, not science.
To be fare, it is as Q7 said; Just an opinion. However I think the simplest will prove to prevail over the complexity.

mkirkpatrick · 02:00 PM

Dave you say that the simplest will prevail.Well you cannot get any more simple than"all is mind,and mind is all" Intelligence reigns supreme,which is Consciousness,Universal consciousness,The complexity Dave,seems to me to be all the theories that are invented to try and explain What is.It has nothing to do with religion,but everything to do with reality,I am not relgious,but I do accept that maybe there is something greater than,little ole me.

kind regards michael.

quanta07 · 02:35 PM

Dave,

I am not religious. What I am inferring is the "simplest will prove to prevail over the complexity"
I introduce a SINGLE function, not the hundreds from the standard model.
It is mathematics, expansion mathematics, no probability, no undefined terms.
Looking for Singularity, a point? Projecting old concepts back in time to describe the singularity does not work. This concept that "there had to be something to start with"..Why?...maybe just Distance....and TIME
Singularity? The standard model fails to describe it, the standard model math fails and turns into a guessing game of 11 dimensional string theory. It takes a real leap of faith to go there. IMHO it is not even a best guess, just bunk to sell books...
It is time for creative thought, without hinderance, and new ideas/concepts, without personal degradation.
Its true, not all of us agree with you....It does not nor will it ever imply you are wrong OR we are wrong.
I just do not buy into everything I read, I use my training/experience and my mind.
I remain open to new ideas, Dave.
But let's face it....some people do not.
Since this posting forum was initially about "The Genesis Hypothesis",
I placed the previous post so others might be aware of a new perspective, based on mathematics.
I feel this gives others who search for the Genus, an option/alternative to consider.
I feel the view outside of the forest tells more about where I am, than seeing the many trees within.

Happy Thoughts....Q7

dleviwing · 10-25-2005, 10:18 AM

Michael;
I would be willing to bet that if your brain (a physical organ) were to stop functioning (die), your consciousness would also cease. Just as your consciousness requires physical substance, if a universal consciousness existed then it too would require physical substance. The only difference may only be in the definition of living.

dleviwing · 10-25-2005, 10:28 AM

Hi Q7;
We have a great deal in common on how we think and reason. I don't believe however that a mathematical solutions is possible without a new physical paradigm philosophy for reality. If you read my thread "Dimensions and Entities", you will see that all our science is based on the terms of measurement and thus they infer many of these terms are real entities rather than the interactions of the real entities. You chose to use energy as the entity, were as I chose to use matter. Both paths should lead to a similar conclusion.
Best wishes;
Dave

mkirkpatrick · **Physical-substance is finer than Thought! -** 10-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Michael;
I would be willing to bet that if your brain (a physical organ) were to stop functioning (die), your consciousness would also cease. Just as your consciousness requires physical substance, if a universal consciousness existed then it too would require physical substance. The only difference may only be in the definition of living.

I guess that we would both have to die then Dave,to see who was
right,however you would not be able to see me would You? As regards Physical
substance , well that can be re-fined right up to the level of thought!Matter is
much-Much finer than you may imagine!However we may have to agree to differ.

kind regards michael.