Knowledge and Time

[Guille]

Knowledge does not resist to time, it does not exist through time. It can not change, or have occurence of events.

Knowledge, when thought about, become ideas in the mind, and so, there is no spatial or temporal existence in any manner, and yet events occur, and ideas have size and shape. A feeling can be biger than another one, and it can be circular (self referential, self-subsistent), or cuadratic (logical)... And it can be in the mind's activity for more, or less time.

Now, this is for when objects of conception are in our mind, but when they leave our mind, to form part of reality, of the world, the whole of their essence changes. Not there substance: they are made of the same qualities, and are of the same quantity, and are of the same type. But they change in essence, in form of being. In the case of what we call Knowledge, these elements are build up of our ability to advance, progress, develop and evolve, they form our explanation of the universe, understanding of the universe, and prediction of the universe.

But what we consider knowledge is that which is a True ideation from the world. Not of the world, or about it, or on it, but from it. That means that it is taken, abduced, stolen from the world, from reality. Or to be more exact, knowledge is taken from the mirror of reality, which is truth, or we should call it shadow of reality. But it is not truth itself: truth is the constant which co-exist to the events, to the change, to the time, to the world. It is there because of us, and for us, but it is there without us. Knowledge is the extraction of Truth data from Truth Space. And When Truth data is taken, then it is not truth but knowledge. Not that it is not true, but that it is not truth itself. It's like when you cut a finger from me, it is not longer part of me, or me, but it is from me, still.

So this Truth Data, to be faster, TD, is Knowledge. This means that it belongs to us, our minds, our thought, our world. It is not longer a medium between Reality and I, it is I itself. And yet, I don't have it as me: I neglect it, I don't believe in it, I don't relly on it. As if I feared it, as if it was told to me by a stranger. Not like my principles: in those I believe, for they are near, they are fundamental of myself. But knowledge is fundamental of the world, and yet it is not the world: it is mine. So there is no time from the world that affects it, and no time from me that affects it.

Knowledge itself is therefore atemporal, but it is mortal. Knowledge stops being Truth since it is Knowledge, therefore it is not the world, and is not related to the world: it is related to what the world was in the SpaceTime point it was Extracted from Truth, but not from the now world. And yet, it is not part of who has the knowledge. We could thus say that knowledge is like adolescence (I myself know it very well): It feels it comes from nowhere, is in nowhere, goes to nowhere, has nothing, is nothing...

Dirty life that of Knowledge, which we all envy and yet would hate to have. That is why we have gods, for instance.

[Cubola Zaruka]

Does knowledge actually have to leave the mind to form reality? Our knowledge of reality is part of our knowledge, and quantum theory seems to show that our universe is not actually independant of our observation of it; true objecivity is only found in abstractions like numbers and, ultimately, infinity.

[s.nate101]

Under the rules set forth by the context of this media I would say knowledge appears be an increment of truth extracted from reality in an effort to grow to make sense of. The understanding generated from the notion implied in the previous sentence above is an interpretation in the difference of truth and knowledge. It is a difference between the two that allows the observation and disntinction among the two to be a distinction. individuation is a constraint on the mind placed or utilised in an effort to understand potential. Its good to understand the concepts as they best relate to your personal experience. I would say knowledge whether or not is universal and unscathed by time, is a dynamic substance whos discription and perception is tangled in the differences in the minds of each individual and the only truth to be known is the distinction of the differences themselves. Take too many measurements and it may cause some difference in the whole and how it can be measured later on and help us all grow.

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[jag]

knowledge is taken from the mirror of reality, which is truth,

So, is knowledge itself pieces of a fractured mirror each reflecting it's bit of the truth?

Why does knowledge or truth data have to be "taken, abducted,stolen from the world, from reality? isn't that the fracturing of the mirror that is truth?

Knowledge should instead shine a light on truth revealing it one piece at a time and not attempt to fracture it or break it apart. Taking a piece of truth out of the context of it's whole will limit the accuracy of the truth data, it seems to me.

Knowledge is not timeless or unchanging unless it reveals a piece of timeless truth in place...in context of the whole.

jag

[labelwench]

So, is knowledge itself pieces of a fractured mirror each reflecting it's bit of the truth?

Why does knowledge or truth data have to be "taken, abducted,stolen from the world, from reality? isn't that the fracturing of the mirror that is truth?

Knowledge should instead shine a light on truth revealing it one piece at a time and not attempt to fracture it or break it apart. Taking a piece of truth out of the context of it's whole will limit the accuracy of the truth data, it seems to me.

Knowledge is not timeless or unchanging unless it reveals a piece of timeless truth in place...in context of the whole.

jag

My thoughts would be that everything in life, all that we think we know about life, would be the shards of the mirror in the metaphor.

It would be in the knowledge of the underlying pattern of the whole, where truth holds timeless reign.

We perceive change ever to be the rule, as we observe with our physical senses and attempt to comprehend the truth about that which we observe.

We fill our minds with knowledge, yet seldom glimpse the truth.

The truth would be the same to all. (The whole mirror).

Our perceptions of it, shall ever vary. (The shards.)

No matter how we perceive events, or our effect upon them, the underlying pattern remains the truth, unchanged and unchanging.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Did ya all know this kid Guille, was only 15 to 16 years old when he wrote these different philosophy and physics thread posts...?

Thanks for taking notice of them and him, as I always thought him quite brilliant, especially for his age...