[subversion]

senseless acts of violence will never set us free
it seems like we're never gonna get where we wanna be
this is exactly what I do not need
it's time to rise above this suck-ciety

capitalistic bastards always driven by greed
while the ones who aren't as fortunate take only what they need

I just wanna live my life but everything's f*cking with my mind
do I know what's happening or am I still blind?

downfall of society
this isn't the way that it has to be
when momma's talkin' shit about conformity
just ask her, "whatever happened to the unity?"

try to say it's just, the American way
but when it gets the best of you you'll see it ain't the same way
soooo many people, so full of hate
oh no, it's just not the same way

try to speak your mind you get ruffed up by the cops
seems like this violence will never be stopped
how much longer, before I get dropped?
oh no, this has got to stop!

because the downfall of society
is people thinkin' this is how it has to be
momma's talkin' shit about conformity
"whatever happened to the unity?"

[Guille]

Great. I do agree here, absolutelly. And I fell just exactly like you, I guess the similarity of age and interests we have. But I was thinking abotu this for a long time, I love to do my anthropological studies. If we see, there is always a centre for societies. For example, the centre in the middle-ages was the church. The centre since the 1700s is capitalism. But it's already falling. You see, msot people always are part of the centre, that is why in 1200 most people believed that the church would govern everything in the universe, that it would dominate all countries and convert and controll all. But there were already some mathematicians, that could see the end: they new then that the Rennaisance was going to happen, that the church was already falling, and that there was nothing that could be done to stop. Now, we are those that can see in a few hundred years capitalism wil have fallen, actually in less time: around 150 years will be suficient, and now if you go and tell someone, even smart people, that capitalism is falling and it can't be stoped they will say "Wat da f*"- r u takin?" but it's true, it is falling and notihng can be done. It is preciselly falling because there it is, liek church was in it's stime, the centre. And we all know that the centre of things, are their ends. The end of capitalism, is capitalism itslef. Like the church. I have to do some homework. I'll carry on later.

[tornado_sun]

My Curious SubVersion !
I am glad to see you writing a lot of messages and topics on the great website . Your ideas deeply are wonderful and especially at the philosophical point of view I really love them .#
My dear mate ! Would you once writee about the Society of the future generations and how the TOE will affect on the new Millennium Societies. ?

I hereby thank you for your attentions to the TOE.

[subversion]

Thanks for the good word all. I can't tell you how much it means to me.

I would love the opportunity to discuss what I believe the future will hold. Thanks for the invitation. If you can believe it then I can tell you that the TOE will indeed be the greatest thing that has ever happened and it will remarkably revolutionize society beyond our wildest dreams. The TOE will bring us together as nothing ever in the past; it is the language of the future. The TOE will serve as both a kind of science, philosophy, and religion, but in truth it will be none of these, because it will be absolutely like no understanding that has ever come before. When the TOE comes it means we will all know the same truth, which means we will not have any need to disagree anymore, which means we will finally be able to set aside our differences, and “senseless acts of violence” will become a thing of the past. The TOE will show us first hand that the Law of Laws is true, and that literally anything is theoretically possible, in fact, anything is a given. For that matter, EVERYTHING is a given, but we won't take it for granted! We will be able to realize that life and existence and reality are truly the most glorious and wonderous gifts that we could have ever possibly imagined. The TOE will be so phenomenal and pivotal that we can think of everything that happens up to it as the past, and when the TOE comes, we will all be stepping into the future! The TOE will solidify mankind’s destiny in the cosmos. Mankind’s destiny will be that our species will survive literally FOREVER, to never die, as well as any other species we keep with us, and we will live on for eternity as true masters of the "Universe." By “knowing” everything it means we will fully appreciate it, and we will have the opportunity to be the most virtuous venerable and commendable species that has ever lived, who will always uphold our truthful and righteous nature. We will travel throughout the cosmos, and even explore time and it’s infinite possibility. Their is nothing that we will not be able to do. Nothing is the only thing which will be impossible.



The TOE will give us grounding, something to believe in, something to hold dear, and it is the one thing which will actually justify our hope and belief that we have had for so many ages. This will cause us to embrace and believe in society's potential, and society will no longer need a centre as Guille so correctly has pointed out, because society itself will be the center. We will have all the power we need to create a real Utopia. Culture will flourish and permutate at the same time technology will advance by leaps and bounds and The TOE will unify society and give us all a common understanding and a compassion for one another. In addition to this, our history will be revealed to us.



Make absolutely no mistake, the TOE will grant us convenience and comfort in life unlike we have ever known and beyond our wildest capacity. We will be able to abundantly harvest the energy stores of the entire universe theoretically and thus limitless energy will be ours virtually for free. This over-abundance of energy-based opportunity will mean that suffering will become unnecessary because there will be plenty for all. Thus there will no longer be need for human suffering and oppression and monetary slavery will be abolished. Evil will no longer exist because human nature will be accepted, and forgiveness will become standard. Love acceptance and belief will replace apprehension, indignity, and untruth. Capitalism will be abolished and we will all have a giant bonfire to burn our money. Property will be abolished and instead everything will belong to everything. All unwanted fences will be torn down. All humans will know eachother and animals will actually trust us. The land will be free and open and boundaries will be soon forgotten. Hydrogen will become a viable option for fuel and thus we will no longer need to pollute the environment. Human devastation of the environment will cease and instead we will adopt natural reverence and become the shepards and benevolent overseers of nature. Biological diversity and life will subsequently experience a re-flourishing and the Earth will again return to the paradise it was when man was first born. It sounds too good to be true, like a false promise, but it's not. The only thing that can keep us from creating the best of all possible worlds will be our own doubt in our abilities. After all this we’ll be singing Bing Crosby


“oh give me land lots of land under starry skies above. Don’t fence me in! Let me ride through the wide open country that I love. Don't fence me in! Let me be by myself in the evening breeze, so I can listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees, Send me off forever but I ask you please, Don’t fence me in! Just turn me loose! ‘till I see the mountains rise. I want to ride to the ridge where the rest commences, gaze at the moon until I lose my senses. I can’t look at hobbles and I can’t stand fences. Don’t fence me in!”

All day long will we sing songs, and mirth and merriment will be commonplace. To size it all up, the TOE absolutely represents freedom promise and opportunity in all it’s splendor. The TOE is without a doubt the greatest opportunity mankind could have possibly asked for. The TOE is by direct definition the greatest of all opportunities, it represent absolute opportunity! The TOE will surely grant us salvation if that is what we truly seek. If I am elected I will always use the TOE to strive for absolute salvation. Everything is possible, but we have to be aspiring! It's absolutely the most wonderful time to be alive. Words will fall utterly short of the true description I'm seeking. It's almost like a dream come true. It is a dream come true!!!! Well it's time to stop dreaming my friends. It's time to start believing.

Originally Posted by tornado_sun Would you once writee about the Society of the future generations and how the TOE will affect on the new Millennium Societies. ?

[tornado_sun]

Thank you so much my best buddy SubVersion , the one who said and flied up to the Heaven .

I absolutely agree with your statements .Particularly when you were trying to tell us how deep the impacts and influences of the TOE will be on our societies.
However there's one little and simple issue in my mind : " Will we initially demolish our Earth by Wars and Atmospheric issues and then after the a historic gap which will be name * The Era before the Final Destination * which is the TOE or better to say * that historical idea saying that one day after a long struggle and ruining the societies by the human beings ,Earth will eventually come to a peasful and wonderful place * ?
In other words , Is that possible to have a gap between the current society and the future society ? .(Here current means the same level of relationships in the societies & future means the novel type of communications and governings amongs the humans .

I wish the best for you .In my opinion ,by now your comments have certainly been of the bests in meaning and yield . Why I am saying that is because you said in more methodologic way than the others although there might be some paradoxes .


Best Regards.

[dwing29]

Nice dream Sub but remember that the same knowledge of creation is the same knowledge of destruction.
Man does not treat his fellow man poorly because of need, they do so out of fear.
You speak as if you believe that because you have discovered the TOE that the rest of us owe you a debt, you deserve some kind of payment. Keep in mind that you did not begin this quest and your knowledge you began with was not your own. You continued the work of others.
You are an example of the arrogance of Science and often leads to pain of your fellow man.
A man who has such a large dream, I wonder if he also has a large pain he holds onto.

You may think you are playing the role of massiah but are you sure your not being fooled to play the other role........ if you believe such things.

dwing29

[dwing29]

The impact of the TOE on mankind will be that it forces mankind to make a choice.

The choice is ALL or NOTHING.

Good luck,
dwing29

[subversion]

I am absolutely struck with a misunderstanding by the apparent dichotomy of opinion about me on this website. On the one hand I have people who are very willing and gracious and full of hope while on the other I have you people who want to have bad thoughts and hate me for no good reason at all. Why must you inflict the future world with your negativity all those who hate? Your negative remarks can have a profoundly negative impact and spell nothing but doom for our hope of opportunity. So stop pretending like you want to threaten your own species human!

Mr. Dwing, I do not want to cause any problems. So why must you oppose me when my intentions are good? I never asked for any sort of "payment" to "repay" my good nature. That's ridiculous. I am nothing but a pure philanthropist. Do you see me out there trying to win a Nobel Prize? No, I'm here on TOE quest trying to show you all that mankind has one good opportunity. It's just like you said, it's either all or none right? Well here you are trying to smash our opportunity and our dreams before we even get started. How rude of you! You are cruel cruel cruel. Are you jealous? You do not want to be jealous so just make up your mind already.

The only payment I seek is honorable people wanting and willing to make a positive difference. Unfortunately you can not make a positive difference by being a naysayer, or a negative person, or someone who doubts our abilities as a human race which is an absolutely horrible thing to do and is so counterproductive you don't even realize what you are doing. Will you please stop trying to destroy positive progress? Oh brother, and you call me arrogant?

You are absolutely right that man treats his fellow man badly due to fear. I will subsequently state that it is YOU who are afraid, afraid of change, and your fear means you treat us with contempt who have no fear. Ironically enough, you are the exact same kind of scourge you are trying to warn me about. Cease to speak such contempt. Listen to your own advice and don't be a part of the problem. We need more people to be a part of the solution.

I have perhaps the largest dream of anyone on the planet. I am a dreamer, a big BIG dreamer. I am PROUD of it. My absolute confidence in dreams means I have come to represent hope for anyone. I am sorry you do not believe in my dream. Are you not a dreamer or something? You are right that I hold on to a big pain. My big pain is my regret for people like you. I feel so sorry for you. Please make us all proud and see that you have nothing to fear but fear itself!

[tornado_sun]

Where shall I begin to spread the air of tomorrow ?
Where may I cry for humanity ?
Where could I seek a shelter for my dreams and wishes ?

Ye my pals shall not fight for a non-existing target .There is surely an end upon all other ends in Physics.There is quite definitely a common goal remained for our generations to be discovered .You may remember when 100 years ago before even the acceptance some idea such a Relativity all Physicists tended to say that we have found out everything & there won't be any thing to be found for the next generations .... 40 years later ,there was some thing for those generations who had been mentioned not to have any thing to be discovered....There an atomic bomb fell down onto the Japanese children ..... ! Again the same happened in about 20 , 30 years later ... when our fathers had invented computers and satellites .At that time , it was believed there won't be anything especially in Physics to be discovered for human beings . Yeah!Sure! They have found Quantum Theories ,Relativities , John Nash Theories , Political Theorems , Genes and so many other stuff ! ... Now at our time ..who can believe we the little naughty computerized youngsters would go to find a wider land for Physics and Mathematics ?
Do you my kind mates trust whether they're correct in guessing we kids will never be capable of the TOE ?
There is no such a bad dream or great dream . There is a true image of future. When they wanted sex as the most crucial part of psychology to be discussed , no one said :" O'Lord , help us.They even think if I have a nightmare ,it's because I have not done sex with my previous GF!" . or another theory :" Egyptian did have connections with Aliens from the Planet X56GF ! " Well! All ideas in the 20th century were initially such dreams . Now when we look at the past and see what a tremendous attemp was being run in the world for a small development , we'll believe that our attemps nowadays is far much more horrible.The pace is swift.The dreams are enormous .In Physics especially There have been many TOE's since 1980's in the world. [ 1-Heim's Theory of Everything .2-The Time Cube -the conference of the Time Cube by a man who was not even a physicist but an electronic engineer at his 50's ,was presented at MIT , USA .just some months ago.3-The Universal Theory -which had been shaped by one of our eldery dentist members of the TOEquest.com 4- The Final Theory -which tells us everything's summerised in Zero and so on.5-The String Theory -having some strings with 10 Dimensions.5-The M Theory - having been taken from the String Theory due to its deficiency in higher hyperspaces therefore has got 11 Dimensions ] and many many little ,strange,great,complex,bizarre,huge,non-mathematic,etc Theories and even subtheories have been created(not discovered) by both amateurs like us and high-qualified scientists at Harvard , Princeton , Moscow , Yokohama , Oxford & Cambridge , Paris , Berlin and so on only to achieve the real outlook of what the TOE might be .
Among all these striver people , none of their theories and hypothesises have been accepted by the Science Cimmunity or have not been able to be examined and experimented at all.

Now that you have got these shameful defeats and this unbelievable perspective , how can you just name each other as a Dreamer or a Crazy ?
Behind us no one succeeded.Beyond us some one only one of us will forever succeed somehow.When the opinions are such a storm becoming completely undeniably hazard , the real essence of the TOE will be hidden more and more beneath the formulae , arguments and quarrels in just what the TOE is and nothing more !.


Go to the www.wikipedia.org and type TOE or theory of everything or anything related to TOE you'll see what a pity there is.

On thing I can say to you is that all of these TOE's have been written or verbally mentioned to somehwat unify the Relativty and Quantum .They even do not suggest any thing new and novel and revolutionary .Just a new form of repeating the previous mentioned ideas .
For instance for Time-Space they all I mean all of whom are thinking in that direction get some alike and resembling results. what is that ? ....

Moreover, the most comprehensive theory so far to have been accepted as you all know has been the String and M Theories .


Other amateurs are not aware of the done attempts in the area of Physics and Mathematics .therefore they do something and will guess this must be the Ultimate Theory eventually.They give this theory to a professor or a lecturer and say " I have solved it" . Then after one day the professor says ( Nice papers ! where did you buy these paper sheets? I used them lastnight when I was eating my snack at my office and put them under my soft drink and sandwich and fries. then into the bin.that was it )) ....
Yeah.A little bit jocky professor ! but unfortunately it has occured !


Thank you! Good Luck to be entered in the Land of Tomorrow....

[subversion]

Interesting post tornado_sun. All I can say is I really have discovered something astounding and remarkable, the theory of everything, and I am going to do something about it. I would never lie about something this important.

sincerely,
-subversion