The Hazards of T.O.E. Questing

[winnie2609]

I think the main hazard to me so far has been in getting too far removed or isolated in my thoughts from the thoughts of others.
Not just in the content of those thoughts
but also in the context,
the scale of thoughts
speed of thoughts
and in the complexity of thoughts.

My response to this danger when I realised the seriousness of the risk
has been not to isolate myself in my uniqueness but to demonstrate my individual connectedness to the many.

However removed my thoughts may have been from others in their entirety the has always been some thread of connectivity, some common experience with which to establish both our sanities.

Two weeks ago tomorrow I had a dramatic encounter with our mental health system. Even being considered at risk of losing ones mind is a seriously dangerous place to find oneself in our modern diagnostic drug pushing society. I fortunately was able to extract myself without too much danger to me physically or to my reputation for saneness. I'll be much more alert to the potential for risk in the future.

[quanta07]

This is a tale of two travelers on a quest.

One day, two travelers converged at a place of serenity. Each carried with them a small pouch. Within the pouches were pearls. Not oyster pearls, but pearls of wisdom that each had acquired on their quest. As they discussed their journeys, they exchanged pearls of wisdom. Each left this place of serenity with more pearls than they came with. One traveler continues on to meet with others. The other traveler met a stranger. After conversing and sharing with the stranger, the traveler realized the stranger had shared nothing. The stranger then killed the traveler and stole his pearls of wisdom. Venturing into a large village, the stranger professed to be a great scholar. The villages ask the stranger to share his great wisdom, but the stranger demanded great sums of money for this wisdom. The villagers gave the stranger what he asked. When it came time to share this wisdom, the stranger produced the pouch, proclaiming here it is. But upon opening the pouch, the stranger found no pearls. Enraged, the villagers slaughtered the stranger and feed his body to their pigs.

What brought the travelers together was a quest for knowledge.
What killed the stranger was a quest for fortune and glory.

Does anyone know the moral to this tale?

[labelwench]

Hello Winnie,

Your thoughts on the dangers of venturing too far into uncharted territory are appreciated. Our society can be most unforgiving to those who choose to think and live outside of it's contrived and often commercialized pigeon-holes.

Good story, Quanta. Knowledge is it's own reward and the sharing of same, in the right time and place, multiplies those rewards.

Knowledge is the birthright of all and those who would exploit knowledge for personal gain, do so at their own peril if they do not have understanding. There is no short path to the truth.

Looking forward to the moral of your story, Quanta and likewise, more posts from you, Winnie.

Best regards,

Labelwench

[Mikal]

I think the main hazard to me so far has been in getting too far removed or isolated in my thoughts from the thoughts of others.
Not just in the content of those thoughts
but also in the context,
the scale of thoughts
speed of thoughts
and in the complexity of thoughts.

My response to this danger when I realised the seriousness of the risk
has been not to isolate myself in my uniqueness but to demonstrate my individual connectedness to the many.

However removed my thoughts may have been from others in their entirety the has always been some thread of connectivity, some common experience with which to establish both our sanities.

Two weeks ago tomorrow I had a dramatic encounter with our mental health system. Even being considered at risk of losing ones mind is a seriously dangerous place to find oneself in our modern diagnostic drug pushing society. I fortunately was able to extract myself without too much danger to me physically or to my reputation for saneness. I'll be much more alert to the potential for risk in the future.

Hi Winnie...complexity of thought is the experience of getting the monkey on your shoulder to sleep while you go a little deeper into states of focus and concentration. Seems an odd state when first experienced but one gets used to using this state for quite profound analytical performance. Eventually the monkey sleeps forever and you rid yourself of "brain chatter."

Excellent that you have noticed our "modern diagnostic drug pushing society"....Having a brush with our present mental health system is like realizing the meaning of "ever-present danger"....however, it does leave one with a good sense of caution....self-protection is the rising of innate sense of self-preservation, inner intelligence rather dummed down by a mental health system who wants to manage your life....your alertness to the potential for risk would be your benefit which came out of such a dramatic encounter....


Mikal

[quanta07]

Hi Labewench,
Wow, quick response, I would like to wait a while before giving that answer if it’s OK?
That was a very good post.

I think one of The Hazards of T.O.E. Questing would be in logic, where sometimes we just believe something and begin there!

If our premise is untested/invalid, our conclusion may be invalid From a premise, we draw a conclusion, After our first premise /conclusion, we use the conclusion as a new premise, drawing the next conclusion and repeat this process, we move through our quest. As we build our logic and move through our quest, we could make a wrong turn. One premise can be invalid, making the rest of our logic chain invalid from that point on.

Errors in logic are caused by biases. These biases come about from letting emotions cloud judgment. Humans are emotional beings and feelings of insecurity/doubt within our brain, usually results in Ego, to counteract the unsure ness. (Usually the stronger the Ego, the more invalid the TOE.)

Then there is the presentation to others. Since we are human, when a negative response is received, Ego tells the brain ‘they are jealous’ or creates anger, But really, a negative response is a neon sign which helps us find that logic error in our quest. We made a wrong turn on the path of our quest, we backup, test and adjust our logic to valid, and continue questing.

To avoid bias errors in our logic, we must quest like a Vulcan, with absolutely no emotion. And this is Really hard to do as a human! We must first question ourselves Know we are wrong. A good place to start is accepting our own ignorance in our quest. This is a good thing, since, when our ignorance is gone, our quest is over!

Happy thoughts….Q7

[Mikal]

This is a tale of two travelers on a quest.

One day, two travelers converged at a place of serenity. Each carried with them a small pouch. Within the pouches were pearls. Not oyster pearls, but pearls of wisdom that each had acquired on their quest. As they discussed their journeys, they exchanged pearls of wisdom. Each left this place of serenity with more pearls than they came with. One traveler continues on to meet with others. The other traveler met a stranger. After conversing and sharing with the stranger, the traveler realized the stranger had shared nothing. The stranger then killed the traveler and stole his pearls of wisdom. Venturing into a large village, the stranger professed to be a great scholar. The villages ask the stranger to share his great wisdom, but the stranger demanded great sums of money for this wisdom. The villagers gave the stranger what he asked. When it came time to share this wisdom, the stranger produced the pouch, proclaiming here it is. But upon opening the pouch, the stranger found no pearls. Enraged, the villagers slaughtered the stranger and feed his body to their pigs.

What brought the travelers together was a quest for knowledge.
What killed the stranger was a quest for fortune and glory.

Does anyone know the moral to this tale?

Hi Q....moral of story...wisdom gained is a fruit or a jewel you give to others....using wisdom for monetary gain offends the principle of "wisdom gained is to be wisdom given"....

"You shall know them by their fruits..."

Mikal

[racecar]

This is a quote I picked out from another site in reference to marketing unschooling (natural learning process).

"I don't think tolerance comes from learning more about any subject. It think that tolerance comes from each of us learning more about ourselves and our place in the universe. We are as infinite or as finite as our focus, and tolerance is ultimately born in the heart not the brain."

Part of my reply included...

I don't think unschooling needs to be marketed. Unschooling is discovered and remembered to be simply abundant. It is realized, not defined. Sometimes less is more and to bear fruit you cut the tree.

Right now I'm a fairly solid tree with lots of knots and deeply ridged bark. I have about 38 rings and they tell some stories, some seem ugly and some pretty. My perception is balanced by the symbiotic relationship of my heart and brain. Bittersweet symmetry.

I don't think it's something you sell, but something you share.

Anyway...seemed to fit here. And, I suppose, every tree has the chance of being struck by lightning or losing a limb to the heavy burden of ice...

[jag]

It seems to me that the biggest hazard of T.O.E. questing is taking your eye off the ball. Losing sight of Timeless truth. If you don't worship the truth then you are like a ship without a rudder that the wind just pushes where it will.

jag

[labelwench]

Perhaps each of us, at some level, already knows the theory of everything, but are not cognizant of that fact.

Mathematics and/or language alone will not serve us adequately in knowing and sharing the theory, I would suggest, as there is much room for ambiguity.

What can be uniquely different and unifying at the same time?

Sound, music, harmonics, can be expressed by language and mathematics as well.

Just a thought to "note"....

And in music, there is no "right or wrong", dischords acknowledged.

Labelwench

[labelwench]

"Discouragement of natural rebels is no service to a democracy. But (some) people are so scared to allow anyone to foster anything resembling a savior complex, that the dynamism which goes with a reforming zeal is being damped down and lost to the world. Great deeds can only be achieved when we are more than our ordinary little selves. When we are lent wings, we should not reject them, of ourselves or of others."
- Irene Claremont Castilligo
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"Are they scared we're gonna cut their throats or somethin'?"

"They're not scared of you, they're scared of what you represent to 'em."

"All we represent to them, man, is somebody who needs a haircut."

"Oh no. What you represent to them is freedom."

"What the hell's wrong with freedom man, that's what it's all about."

"Yeah. That's right. That's what it's all about. But talkin' about it, and bein' it - that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. A'course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, cuz they're gonna get real busy maimin' and killin', to prove to you that they are free. Oh yeah. They're gonna talk to you and talk to you about individual freedom - but (when) they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."

"That don't make 'em runnin' scared."

"No. That don't make 'em runnin' scared. That makes 'em dangerous."

- Easy Rider dialogue
Jack Nicholsen & Dennis Hopper
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"At every turn, one is socially encouraged to honor and seek out the truth. But God help you (socially) if and when you find it." - Rascal Puff

http://forums.delphiforums/EinsteinGroupie

I bring forward the starting post of this thread once again, because it speaks to me.

The developing nations seem poised to tackle the greatest challenges in my lifetime (having been born after the two world wars) and one of the difficulties as I see it, is that we lack leaders of great vision.

All focus appears to be on means to keep the existing systems functioning while paying lip service to changes for a better future. The two agendas do not seem compatible, as I try to model them from the historic perspective, within the confines of my limited and admittedly fallible mind. Better luck to them......

Perhaps one reason we are lacking leadership of vision lies not in the absence of such persons, merely that due to social pressures, they have abstained from high profile positions as are those in politics.

If there is a single useful function for the technology known as internet, it would be that such persons can now identifiy each other and perhaps share ideas and work at the ground level to establish those small first steps which may hold some hope for a change for the better, which governments seem to know not how to begin.

Of course one must work from at least the suspicion that any activity of change will be monitored by those same agencies and this is not without the concern of repercussion to some. At the worst, these agencies might even steal any ideas that are yielding positive result, to implement and claim as their own in the interests of re-election and personal gain.

Not that such would be such a bad idea if they are lacking any of their own.......