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[Mikal]

Rascal, did that hoped for conference with the scientists ever happen??

I figure they would be the group needing most to appraise the peril Russell and Einstein are discussing here for it is their great minds which create the bombs.

I mean it is the elite and those who govern…not the common masses…who take the world to nation conflicts. Most people I know are peaceful and very much against war and world conflict.

They speak of preventing military contests but yet every nation has a huge, overblown budget supporting the Military Industrial Complex—Canada is almost equal to the U.S. here and other nations are following suit.

As far as I know Rascal…the only path to true peace is a journey to your heart to stop the war inside that keeps projecting itself out to others and it’s a road each person must walk and face alone….


Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Should" and "ought",
(wish)
But can't and don't.
(reality)

[RascalPuff]

Rascal, did that hoped for conference with the scientists ever happen??

I figure they would be the group needing most to appraise the peril Russell and Einstein are discussing here for it is their great minds which create the bombs.

I mean it is the elite and those who govern…not the common masses…who take the world to nation conflicts. Most people I know are peaceful and very much against war and world conflict.

They speak of preventing military contests but yet every nation has a huge, overblown budget supporting the Military Industrial Complex—Canada is almost equal to the U.S. here and other nations are following suit.

As far as I know Rascal…the only path to true peace is a journey to your heart to stop the war inside that keeps projecting itself out to others and it’s a road each person must walk and face alone….


Regards Mikal

Dear Mikal:
Unfortunately, nuclear fission was first used as a weapon - being a product of the controversial Manhatten Project - under circumstances of a race with Nazi Germany to accomplish the creation of the same weapon. That being so, 'we' really had no choice.

I gather that yours is a rhetorical usage in saying that 'their great minds create the bombs', since, however ironically, both Russell and Einstein were devout pacifists. Yet, World War Two was what Studs Terkel calls 'The Good War' - without it having been fought, the world would have been obliged to submit to Nazi domination, which meant the extinctification of all Catholics and members of 'the (so called) Third World'. Please refer, 'Just & Unjust Wars', by Michael Walzer - until further notice, no nation can survive without a strong military element or ally. Whereas, I certainly couldn't agree with you more, that we must end war, or, war will end us. It is the greatest of all human enigmas. I wrote this book in the spirit of ending warfare: http://forums.delphiforums.com/subedai

As regards the question of whether the subjected conference ever occurred - 'War Crimes Tribunal/Bertrand Russell' can be accessed via Google. The United States was determined to be guilty of war crimes in Vietnam.

The mainstream press ignored or critically misrepresented the entire event - a gathering of some of the world's most distinguished people (circa 1967).

Example follows:

Vietnam War > International War Crimes Tribunal - 1967
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Noam Chomsky Foreword (21 pages)
Noam Chomsky After Pinkville (28 pages)
Bertrand Russell Speech to the First Meeting of Members of the War Crimes Tribunal (3 pages)
Aims of the Tribunal agreed at the Constituting Session (1 page)
PART I · THE FIRST SESSION OF THE TRIBUNAL WAS HELD AT STOCKHOLM, 2-10 MAY 1967
Jean-Paul Sartre Inaugural Statement (6 pages)
Leon Matarasso Outline of the General Introductory Report (9 pages)
Gabriel Kolko The United States in Vietnam, 1944-66: Origins and Objectives of an Intervention (43 pages)
Jean-Pierre Vigier Technical Aspects of Fragmentation Bombs (4 pages)
Malcolm Caldwell Report from North Vietnam (9 pages)
Lawrence Daly American Bombing in North Vietnam (6 pages)
Tariq Ali Report from Cambodia and North Vietnam (5 pages)
Martin Birnstingl Report from North Vietnam (4 pages)
Henrick Forss Examinations of Victims of US Bombs (4 pages)
Do Van Ngoc Testimony (2 pages)
Ngo Thi Nga Testimony (2 pages)
Hoang Tan Hung Testimony (3 pages)
Nguyen Van Dong Testimony for the NLF of South Vietnam (5 pages)
John Takman and Axel Höjer Bombardment of Civilians in North Vietnam (5 pages)
Abraham Behar Summary Report on the Bombing of the Civil Population of the North (14 pages)
Fujio Yamazaki Significance of the Destruction of Dikes in North Vietnam (3 pages)
Makato Kandachi Some Facts on Bombing of Dikes (3 pages)
Kim-Eng Khouroudeth Report from Cambodia (5 pages)
Jean-Paul Sartre Summary and Verdict of the Stockholm Session (10 pages)
Bertrand Russell Closing Address to the Stockholm Session (3 pages)
PART II · THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TRIBUNAL WAS HELD AT ROSKILDE, DENMARK, 20 NOVEMBER - 1 DECEMBER 1967 Gilbert Dreyfus Napalm and its Effects on Human Beings (9 pages)
Masahiro Hashimoto The Napalm Bomb (5 pages)
Edgar Lederer Report on Chemical Warfare in Vietnam (23 pages)
Thai Binh Danh Testimony (2 pages)
Pham Thi Yen Imprisonment and Torture of a Political Prisoner (4 pages)
Nguyen Thi Tho Conditions in Diem's Prisons (3 pages)
Pham Ngoc Thach Testimony from North Vietnam (6 pages)
David Kenneth Tuck Testimony and Questioning (14 pages)
Peter Martinsen Testimony and Questioning (23 pages)
Donald Duncan Testimony and Questioning (31 pages)
Wilfred Burchett The United States and Laos (6 pages)
Erich Wulff Testimony from South Vietnam (9 pages)
Charles Fourniau Summary Report on the Complicity of Thailand and the Philippines (4 pages)
Japanese Commission Report on the Complicity of Japan (8 pages)
Lelio Basso Summing-up of the Second Session (21 pages)
Summary of the Second Session (6 pages)
Jean-Paul Sartre On Genocide (16 pages)
Verdict of the Second Session (2 pages)
An Appeal to American and World Opinion read by Dave Dellinger (4 pages)
The International War Crimes Tribunal (5 pages)
Afterword from the Editors of the Swedish and English edition (4 pages)
Postscript (8 pages) Home Page | Vote | Political | Education | Vietnam War | Personal Story

Best regards,
- RP

[Mikal]

Thanks Rascal for all the links which I will surely try to do a reasonable examination...

I can't recall which political scientist said this but he said..."a wise nation keeps its military at home to guard its own nation borders." I don't see that especially with the U.S and even Canada now so I question if that is our folly that will take us to a specific fate...

Yes I understand the 2nd World War prevented Nazi domination and further genocide but I also know from my studies that Germany has reclaimed its nation power and is again a threat. It just seems to me that the political/military connect is the exact civilizational pattern we need to get out of....imho...

Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

After the Army…
There was the Defense Inellignece agency…



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwjSfygrul0)

[RascalPuff]

"We are not bombing North Vietnam". - R. M. Nixon
"I take all responsibility for U.S. activity in Cambodia." - Ibid
"I will not resign." - Ibid

[RascalPuff]

In 1983 Truly Yours authored an essay about satellite vehicularized, radio wave improvised audio visual-access to people and things on or near the surface of the planet. The report was released in small press and sold on consignment in over 41 California bookstores. It was received and responded to with varied applause and scepticism. The sceptics insisted that it wasn't technologically possible, and/or that any such reconnaissance was legally, morally and ethically unacceptable and prohibited for that reason.

The cited essay was entitled 'The Invisible 1984 Machine', and submitted that it's been functionally, tactically and capriciously deployed - within and beyond the United States - since the launching of the TelStar ('communications satellite') in 1962.

Presently, the dubious critics and deniers may ponder the import of what the (U.S. Constitution sacking) *'Patriot' and *'Homeland Security Act(s)' are subjecting when they allude to the post WTC 9/11/2001 attack, and qualify that for that reason and henceforth, *any telephone may be tapped without a judge's order or due cause, and, that *anyone may be placed on satellite TV reconnaissance (24/7-365) without a judge's order or due cause... (George Orwell's 1984 'fiction', become incumbent fact).


The 1983 authored essay is accessible at - and readers may draw their own conclusions from - http://forums.delphiforums.com/mollyspup

[RascalPuff]

In 1983 Truly Yours authored an essay about satellite vehicularized, radio wave improvised audio visual-access to people and things on or near the surface of the planet. The report was released in small press and sold on consignment in over 41 California bookstores. It was received and responded to with varied applause and scepticism. The sceptics insisted that it wasn't technologically possible, and/or that any such reconnaissance was legally, morally and ethically unacceptable and prohibited for that reason.

The cited essay was entitled 'The Invisible 1984 Machine', and submitted that it's been functionally, tactically and capriciously deployed - within and beyond the United States - since the launching of the TelStar ('communications satellite') in 1962.

Presently, the dubious critics and deniers may ponder the import of what the (U.S. Constitution sacking) *'Patriot' and *'Homeland Security Act(s)' are subjecting when they allude to the post WTC 9/11/2001 attack, and qualify that for that reason and henceforth, *any telephone may be tapped without a judge's order or due cause, and, that *anyone may be placed on satellite TV reconnaissance (24/7-365) without a judge's order or due cause... (George Orwell's 1984 'fiction', become incumbent fact).

The 1983 authored essay is accessible at - and readers may draw their own conclusions from - http://forums.delphiforums.com/mollyspup

Any question of whether it (audio-visual reconnaissance of individuals) is technologically possible, or morally-legally tenable is thenceforth neutralized. Now displaced with the question of when and if the imposed *illegal and *immoral intrusions (*The imposition of martial law when there is no declared war) will be discontinued.

Best regards,
- RP

[labelwench]

Driving home from work this morning, I caught an interesting interview with Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer.

Anthony Shaffer is a U.S. Army Lt. Col who has alleged that the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) failed to properly evaluate intelligence on 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta. Shaffer's allegations subsequently became known as the Able Danger controversy. In October 2003, according to his later statement to Congress, Shaffer told the 9/11 Commission staff director, Dr. Philip D. Zelikow, that in 2000 a DIA data-mining program known as Able Danger had uncovered two of the three terrorist cells eventually implicated in the September 11 attacks. Shaffer reportedly told Zelikow that DIA leadership declined to share this information with the FBI because military lawyers expressed concerns about the legality of doing so. Shaffer also asserted that he briefed Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet on three separate occasions regarding his unit's activities. The 9/11 Commission Report did not mention Shaffer's allegations, but in 2005 and 2006 the Chairman of the House Select Intelligence Committee, Rep. Curt Weldon, publicized Shaffer's allegations in public statements and hearings.

He published his memoirs as the book Operation Dark Heart. The Defense Department attempted to preserve secrecy of revelations made by the book, by buying up and destroying all 10,000 copies of the book's first, uncensored run, before allowing for the release of a second, censored printing. However, several uncensored pre-release copies were distributed, allowing a person in possession of an earlier copy to compare it to the redacted version to glean what the government considers unfit for public consumption.

Shaffer has conducted multiple courses of instruction in his capacity as a Senior Fellow at the Center for Advanced Defense Studies, including the Psychology of Terrorism, Leadership and Effects-Based Operations. He is a frequent guest on national electronic media (TV and radio) and is frequently quoted in print media as an analyst on defense issues. He is also a nationally known Subject Matter Expert (SME) on intelligence collection and policy, terrorism, data mining, situational awareness and adaptive/disruptive technologies.

Lt. Col. Shaffer currently serves as the Reserve G6 Assistant Chief of Staff, Communications and Technology of an Army Reserve division. He is also a senior advisor to multiple organizations on terrorism and counterinsurgency issues and a member of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum.

Shaffer received his B.A. in political science and environmental studies from Wright State University in 1986. He was also a member of the 1986 WSU national championship Mock Trial team that defeated Northwestern University in front of the Iowa Supreme Court.

This is not my area of expertise, yet a couple of points did make my ears perk up.

Never before has the DND gone to such lengths as to purchase and destroy in excess of 9,500 books, and then allow a redacted version to be printed, which only adds fuel to speculation as noted here:

The issue highlights a very real problem in the way the DIA handled Shaffer’s “leak” of classified material. it drew attention to details in the book that would otherwise have passed, unnoticed, by the vast majority of potential readers. Now, redacted and unredacted versions in the public domain are available for comparison, and thousands of people will, no doubt, be digging around the Internet, trying to identify what is secret and what isn’t. They’ll wonder why references to BWI Airport and Fort Belvoir were redacted; why the single mention of Morrison, Minnesota is blacked out; why we must never know of the cities of Quetta or Peshawar in Pakistan, or even, remarkably, of the blockbuster movie The Sands of Iwo Jima, reference to which was also removed.

Some intelligence vetting is clearly necessary, but what DIA has done defies common sense. It redacted every single reference to Iran, even though senior Pentagon leaders have been open about their belief that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has been ‘supporting the insurgency in Afghanistan for years. They redacted any mention of the National Security Agency, even though it’s a safe bet the NSA is still listening in on phone conversations — as they were in the 1990s, which Pultizer Prize-winning books have discussed at great length. Many more pieces of information are easily cross checked in Google. Given all the openly available details that have been redacted, the reasons for censoring them make little apparent sense.

A couple of more links for any who may also wonder at this 'tempest in a teapot', or is it much more? Some of the buzz has it that the matter is less about content than it is about timing and I believe there is a critical event in US politics pending in November.

http://www.currentintelligence.net/f...ark-heart.html

http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2...of-copies.html

http://www.operationdarkheart.com/bio/

[RascalPuff]

Dear LW: Thank you very much for this offering.
Your astute retention of detail is remarkable.

Best regards,
- RP