[Mike 5]

Are there any developments in Magnetic Monopole theory?

Is there any possible link between rotation and the concept of a Magnetic Monopole?

[Guille]

I thinkt he only possible relation between magnetic monopoles and rotation is that the magnetic force is rotational, and it's particles are constantly moving in a rotative manner towards the centre of gravity (which would make a trinagular ocnnection between rotation-magnetism-gravity, and as gravity has a connection with mass-energy-speed-time-space-force..., nearlly all physics subjects could be related to rotation. This is if you want to make a TOE based on rotation).

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by <<>> ... the magnetic force is rotational, and it's particles are constantly moving in a rotative manner towards the centre of gravity ...

News to me about "particles" of the magnetic force, I just wish society allowed normal people access to science beyond the closed books of school days. That is a disgrace, that at school you MUST study a list of simplistic ideas, that will be all different for your own children, but no adults every discuss these ideas after that, it is actually bloody hard to get any details without the dusty and soically odd paths of library geek, web crank, and so on.

anyway, Guille, I am glad you mentioned about the rotation of the magnetic force. You see electromagnetism has Flemings right hand rule and so on where motion, electricity, and magnetism are linked in a rotation manner.

I conclude that it seems crazy to map the world by Cartesian co-ordinates at all. Rotational co-ordinates, ah, these clearly have a basis firstly in the observed rotations of all real material objects (galazies to neutrinos and all life forms on planets), the elementary observation that we attribute "separateness" only when something rotates independently form another thing; and of course magnetism and electricity and motion are linked by rotation.

Gravity is very very curious. We have not really explained it, we have equations, but it remains mysterious. Field influence across space was at one time through a medium, the ether, today it could be through another medium, the neutrino ocean, which would presumably have fluid characteristics, waves, turbulence, transmission, but I have heard very little on the neutrino ocean from "real" scientist, only pale frightened faces as neutrinos with mass ridicule many past ideas.

There is an exciting alternative to the how many cartesian dimensions riddle, is it 11 dimensions that resolve the problems in a mathematics that I view as suspect? I don't really care, unless that 11 reveals a cancelling out process when you withdraw zero and infinity and replace the maths with looped cardinal/ordinal mathematics, which I feel are truer to reality.

Rotation is always duality, to our human minds. Impossible to conceive of rotation that is not dualistic. More and more I think of a rubber balloon that twists, and the vortex with that small hole, between irreconcilable worlds. And somehow that mathematically also is the Bezier curve, but I don't quite see it yet.

Magnetic monopoles - twist with only clockwise and no anticlockwise, my brain just dissolves. I get as far as a tall baloon fixed at both ends in M-Branes, undulating into contact. At the point of contact of 2 membranes, twisting, rotation. Is this nanoscopic, or cosmic? Both? A tall balloon and you twist the middle, one in each membrane as it were twist and an equal and opposite anti-twist in another membrane or world, as it were as it were fluking language is such a leg iron. To run conceptually is to be free of language, you glimpse the inexpressible, land here back in talk talk and what was that again? Evaporating ideas lost as you scramble a jigsaw of words to fit and then kick the table is frustration.

As a human, I cannot conceptualise rotation without duality. My conclusion regarding the magnetic monopole is that we might find it through a rotational model where, for simplicity of being able to model and think this, the duality, the anti-clockwise that is simply not here, is in another M Brane elsewhere.

Which begs the question, of wormholes as it were between M Branes.

I have a hunch that the Magnetic Monopole is about to become very very fashionable again.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by <<>> ...you want to make a TOE based on rotation).

Guille, either you are psychic, or have read some of my other posts.

What a brilliant idea! A TOE based on Rotation.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Mike 5 News to me about "particles" of the magnetic force, I just wish society allowed normal people access to science beyond the closed books of school days. That is a disgrace, that at school you MUST study a list of simplistic ideas, that will be all different for your own children, but no adults every discuss these ideas after that, it is actually bloody hard to get any details without the dusty and soically odd paths of library geek, web crank, and so on.

I know!!!!!! But are we aloud to complain? In my opinion, NO. Of cours,e true, we live in a time in which "search for knowledge" or "love for wisdom" are seen as properties of crazy strange odd abstract people: they call us Freaks. But remember that 2.300 years ago, the greek societies didn't have any contact with those of the philosophical schools and academies. Remember that 500 years ago copernicus was burned. Remember 400 years ago Giordano Bruno was burned and Galileo was kept in his house until his death. Remember 150 years ago Darwin was ridiculised by the whole united world and religions, jews, moors, and christians, who had been fighting for centuries, were loughing together. Remember 80 years ago the mayor religions made oficial proclamations of the erroneousity of Hubble's discoverment of the growing unvierse and after of the BB theory. We must be strong, for those who I have or have not mentioned that fought for the collection of knowledge and wisdom to acheive the ultimate TRUTH.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 I conclude that it seems crazy to map the world by Cartesian co-ordinates at all. Rotational co-ordinates, ah, these clearly have a basis firstly in the observed rotations of all real material objects (galazies to neutrinos and all life forms on planets), the elementary observation that we attribute "separateness" only when something rotates independently form another thing; and of course magnetism and electricity and motion are linked by rotation.

Maybe actually rotation can be applied and represented properly in cartesian co-ordinate system, have you tried? If it doesn't work, what is your way of representing it? (I've already been working on some things of your theory and applied it to my own theory of time, all of which i will post in a thread here and will mention you and your theory every time used. By the way, great theory, it helps a lot to do math about time).

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Gravity is very very curious. We have not really explained it, we have equations, but it remains mysterious. Field influence across space was at one time through a medium, the ether, today it could be through another medium, the neutrino ocean, which would presumably have fluid characteristics, waves, turbulence, transmission, but I have heard very little on the neutrino ocean from "real" scientist, only pale frightened faces as neutrinos with mass ridicule many past ideas.

I agree that gravity is very very curious. And we have not yet explain it. We have only explained it's cause and effect. I've read ins ome posts the term "neutrino ocean" but I don't know what it is supposed to be. The hard thing about making a TOE which is physics and not only philosophy is that all these concepts and discoverments from QM, chaos theory, M-theory and others, such as turbulense, waves, indeterminism.....etz

Originally Posted by Mike 5 There is an exciting alternative to the how many cartesian dimensions riddle, is it 11 dimensions that resolve the problems in a mathematics that I view as suspect?

11 dimensions not only don't resolve the problem of cartesian graphing but even add many more problems into representations of the positions, directions and velocity of objects.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 I don't really care, unless that 11 reveals a cancelling out process when you withdraw zero and infinity and replace the maths with looped cardinal/ordinal mathematics, which I feel are truer to reality.

I agre: zero and infinity are NOT part of existence and are NOT quantities. They are limits for quantities. Probably this can also be said to your math? That zero and infinity are nto qualities, they are limits of qualities.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Rotation is always duality, to our human minds. Impossible to conceive of rotation that is not dualistic. More and more I think of a rubber balloon that twists, and the vortex with that small hole, between irreconcilable worlds. And somehow that mathematically also is the Bezier curve, but I don't quite see it yet.

This is a very interesting point which I had not yet thought of. In a generalised form, we can say that: There is rotation if and only if there are more than one possible different atributions/properties inthe precise term, and vice versa. This is, so that there can be rotation, of any kind, there must be at least 2 things, but there can be more. And to show that the principle for your TOE, rotation, is not only physical but usefull in human sciences and even philosophy this is my example: a person can be active or passive, so a person is sometimes active, sometime spasive, sometimes active, sometimes pasive...and so on, thus, this is rotative.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Magnetic monopoles - twist with only clockwise and no anticlockwise, my brain just dissolves. I get as far as a tall baloon fixed at both ends in M-Branes, undulating into contact. At the point of contact of 2 membranes, twisting, rotation. Is this nanoscopic, or cosmic? Both? A tall balloon and you twist the middle, one in each membrane as it were twist and an equal and opposite anti-twist in another membrane or world, as it were as it were fluking language is such a leg iron. To run conceptually is to be free of language, you glimpse the inexpressible, land here back in talk talk and what was that again? Evaporating ideas lost as you scramble a jigsaw of words to fit and then kick the table is frustration.

Is all this twisting related somehow with Penrose's invention of twistor theory?

Originally Posted by Mike 5 As a human, I cannot conceptualise rotation without duality. My conclusion regarding the magnetic monopole is that we might find it through a rotational model where, for simplicity of being able to model and think this, the duality, the anti-clockwise that is simply not here, is in another M Brane elsewhere. Which begs the question, of wormholes as it were between M Branes.

So, you believe in M-theory? If so, why do you try and do a TOE, if you already believe in one?

Originally Posted by Mike 5 I have a hunch that the Magnetic Monopole is about to become very very fashionable again.

So do I, and I think we are actually right in believing it will. But, the question is not weather it is or wil be fashionable, but reasonable? Is it rational and logical that the magetic force/field is made of particles?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Guille, either you are psychic, or have read some of my other posts. What a brilliant idea! A TOE based on Rotation.

But before developing the TOE based on Rotation you MUST explain why the TOE should and has to be based on Rotation over any other principle.

[Mike 5]

Lot of details here. Thanks for the stimulating debate, Guille.

400 years ago tonight Guido Fawkes was found with 36 barrels of gunpowder under the British Parliament.

400 years ago in Spain, how many "muslims" who some say were merely southern Iberians, as Spanish as many others, were driven out of Spain - quarter of a million was it?

Dark times indeed, much turmoil.

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HOW DO YOU QUOTE SEVERAL ITEMS LIKE THAT? I'll carry on here.

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Rotation obviously cannot be represented by Cartesian Co-ordinate Geometry, if it is only obvious to me, then I certainly have no time to explain it. With a friend in the maths department at Cambridge University (I was in social science), I was one of the first in Britain to solve the Rubiks Cube, rotation versus Cartesian is all in the Rubik's cube. Dismantle a Rubik Cube then imagine the inverse - a rotational universe that is Cartesian inside when you dismantle it... is that possible? If we could answer that, we would be half way to a new TOE.

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Penrose is one of the great minds of the last century, I personally find Hawking a moron in comparison, but Hawking has the publicity and the gift to explain, Penrose is obfuscation to the power genius, but once explained, his thinking is always so tangible, always grounded in material form.

Twistor Theory? Never heard of it, is it translated into English as I'm not so fluent in Penrosian.

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"Fashionable" "Reasonable" "Rational" "Logical" - how is your digestion? Go easy on the stodgy words, I always get an adult to cut those up for me. Truth is truth, period.

Traditionally in our species scientific progress is only tolerated if it wins wars or makes money.

Originally Posted by <<>> ...Remember 400 years ago Giordano Bruno was burned and Galileo was kept in his house until his death. Remember 150 years ago Darwin was ridiculised ... Maybe actually rotation can be applied and represented properly in cartesian co-ordinate system, have you tried? If it doesn't work, what is your way of representing it? (I've already been working on some things of your theory and applied it to my own theory of time, all of which i will post in a thread here and will mention you and your theory every time used. By the way, great theory, it helps a lot to do math about time). ..... Is all this twisting related somehow with Penrose's invention of twistor theory? ... But, the question is not weather it is or wil be fashionable, but reasonable? Is it rational and logical that the magetic force/field is made of particles?

[mkirkpatrick]

Rotational spiraling is the most economical way of distributing manifested
energies throughout phenomenal space-universe,to add another dimension to
this,i would suggest that as thought arises in mind and is "embodied with the
ideation-principle"that also takes on a spiral like vortex type of Spin.unravel
the thought and release the Idea!






kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Lot of details here. Thanks for the stimulating debate, Guille. 400 years ago tonight Guido Fawkes was found with 36 barrels of gunpowder under the British Parliament. 400 years ago in Spain, how many "muslims" who some say were merely southern Iberians, as Spanish as many others, were driven out of Spain - quarter of a million was it? Dark times indeed, much turmoil.

True. I have historical memory of what the spanish did to the jews, islams, native americans, africans, protestans....and worst of all, what they did to NATURE.

But my paragaph was refering to that we shoudln't care to be looked as freaks, for all of those in whose shoulders we step--as nexton said--had much harder times.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 HOW DO YOU QUOTE SEVERAL ITEMS LIKE THAT? I'll carry on here.

What part of my previosu post is th is refering to (I think I got lost)?

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Rotation obviously cannot be represented by Cartesian Co-ordinate Geometry, if it is only obvious to me, then I certainly have no time to explain it. With a friend in the maths department at Cambridge University (I was in social science), I was one of the first in Britain to solve the Rubiks Cube, rotation versus Cartesian is all in the Rubik's cube. Dismantle a Rubik Cube then imagine the inverse - a rotational universe that is Cartesian inside when you dismantle it... is that possible? If we could answer that, we would be half way to a new TOE.

True, the cube of Rubik does centre on rotation. But in contrast to your theory, rubik's cube does aloud objects to be still, yours are continuoslly in motion.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Penrose is one of the great minds of the last century, I personally find Hawking a moron in comparison, but Hawking has the publicity and the gift to explain, Penrose is obfuscation to the power genius, but once explained, his thinking is always so tangible, always grounded in material form.

The hardest thing about ideas, is having to express them.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Twistor Theory? Never heard of it, is it translated into English as I'm not so fluent in Penrosian.

Definatelly ther emsut be books about it written by mathematicians and physicians who do know how to express ideas correctly. But nothing in life is perfect, there is a problem here: probably those who write the books expressing the ideas correctly don't understand as well twistor theory as it's creator.

Originally Posted by Mike 5 "Fashionable" "Reasonable" "Rational" "Logical" - how is your digestion? Go easy on the stodgy words, I always get an adult to cut those up for me. Truth is truth, period. Traditionally in our species scientific progress is only tolerated if it wins wars or makes money.

I agree. But this is not in our species, it is in our society. If we change the society, we will change the future of science and of humanity.

[dleviwing]

Hi Mike;
The concept of monopole comes into effect due to the fact that Dirac did not impose a limit function into his equations that represented the limits of nature and reality. Of course he was not aware of these limits any more than modern science is today.

To create a minimal magnetic effect, it requires two rotating subatomic particles with their axes oriented in opposite directions; thus it requires two magnetic moments to produce the effect of a magnetic field phenomena. This should not be confused with the electromagnetic wave phenomena that Dirac was concerned with.

Best wishes;
Dave