[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Eric

In any case, you state that mass, space, and time are infinite as far as existence is conerned, but not as far as the universe is concerned. Again, I hope this reflects what you're saying.

NO I DID NOT STATE THAT.

Eric;
Please stay with the dictionary definitions. Eternal and infinite are not the same.
Eternal (adj) without beginning or end.
Infinite (adj) having no boundaries or limits (beyond measure)
Finite (adj) having bounds: limited: (measurable)

The cosmological void: Eternal and infinite
Fundamental matter: Eternal and finite
Motion of Fundamental Matter: Eternal and finite.
The universe: FINITE

Do not replace the word matter with mass; they are not the same. See Dimensions and Entities. Matter HAS MASS. Mass is a measured dimension of matter relating to the property of inertia. Prior to the event that caused our universe, mass was a meaningless dimension; mathematically it would produce an infinite value. That’s why the math is misleading. Do not replace the Absolute Void with space; they are not the same.

Frankly I have no idea of what you are trying to say with “The juncture between infinite potential and the finite "expression" of potential”. It’s like what I call many current M-theory explanations – intellectual gibberish except the intellectual is missing. I believe you are creating unnecessary complexity.

[Eric]

David,

Your post has led to a break-through in my understanding. Thank you.

Eric

[dleviwing]

You’re welcome Eric; What is the break-through? Have you read any of my Blog?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Thank you both for being such gentlemen. Let’s see just how far we can take our concepts of Absolutes.

My view of the first absolute law of physics is:
All fundamental laws must sustain validity without exceptions to time or location.

This simply means that if a law is not applicable to existence before the big bang event, it is not a fundamental law of physics. This first law virtually makes most of the current laws of physics only local or implicit laws.

Lloyd: If I understand you right, you are suggesting that not only the void is infinite, but matter is spread throughout the infinity of the void as an electromagnetic wave aether. Is this it in a nutshell?

David, this is partly correct, as to the void is infinite, and matter is spread throughout this infinity, but the early universe, before the first singularity, had no electromagnetic wave aether___just thermal wave matter___only___and linear only. Electromagnetic wave aether would require quantumized angular wave matter___this had not yet happened, in the early universe___before first singularity quantumizer. I completely agree with this statement; "All fundamental laws must sustain validity without exceptions to time or location."

regards,

[dleviwing]

Lloyd;
These are your terms so you need to expand on what you mean by them. If you like, you can save the explanations for discussion in the Guild.

Originally Posted by Lloyd

1.. electromagnetic wave aether
2.. thermal wave matter
3.. quantumized angular wave matter

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Lloyd;
These are your terms so you need to expand on what you mean by them. If you like, you can save the explanations for discussion in the Guild.

1.. electromagnetic wave aether
2.. thermal wave matter
3.. quantumized angular wave matter

David, the easiest way I know to clarify my thoughts from the present held thoughts of universal discussions is to state the universe in two distinct time phases___1.The infinite void space___2.The finite space. I classify all infinite void space as that space before first finite singularity, and all finite space as that space during and after first finite singularity, existing inside the infinite void space. The best scenario is for me to state S1 to designate the infinite void space, and S2 to designate the finite space. This way we may be able to achieve a considerable amount more clarity of our ideas, and their evolution, as I, you or others may see them.

1.Now, as to electromagnetic wave aether; I see this as the S2 reality of the Dirac sea of post first finite singularity, as truly quantumized Minkowsky/Einstein space. Electromagnetic wave aether is not of the S1 infinite void ground state, before first singularity___this S1 ground state is straight linear thermal motion, i.e., a complex weather system of the void/space's storm state, into hurricanes and tornadoes. Now, I know some see this as uniform motion and randomized motion, yet all quantumized motion must, at the same time, have an element of electromagnetic motion to it, as my model shows all high entropy[fast-high velocity] motion must possess some electromagnetic quantity, even the static electricity produced by my leather jacket on my leather seats is evidence of such, lightening is another, and as I'm sure you are aware of the plasma fields easy transmissions of high voltages across great distances, i.e., gravity, just another motion field. Now, many may see these as other than motions, but I see them as nothing but varrying degrees of thermal motions, of differing entropy states and stages.

2.Thermal wave matter would be the ground state of S1 void space. In this ground state, only the absolute state of matter and motion exist, in their least dense matter/mass state, and the motion is the lowest entropy[velocity] possible to exist in a thermal temperature approaching absolute zero. This ground state, IMO, has a never changing quality and quantity to it, as its base state. Though it can maintain the initial ground state of low entropy motion and temperature, it also is possible for its inner-most extremities to change state, to form the weather systems of S1 void/space that would eventually, over trillions and trillions of years, produce the first finite singularity at its center, due to the very scientific properties of the thermal absolute matter wave state's changing state motions. The zero thermal temperature is naturally center seeking___this is just pure science___whether initial ground state___or performed by low temperature physics in the lab, i.e., the simple experiment of lowering a rose into liquid hydrogen, and measuring the shrinkage of the thickness to thinness of its petals before and after___the fact exists in both places___initial ground state, or lab experiment___extremely cold temperatures shrink most compounds and elements known to man. Of course, water is an exception, in its initial freeze stages, as may be some other elements, but most shrink dimension or contract, attract, bond, affinitize, or whatever you may wish to call it___most all elements at near zero thermal temperatures tend toward a center___as would have the initial ground state of the S1's infinite void space's absolute thermal matter motion. And, IMO, herein lies the key to your own self-affinity and bonding___it's just the entire S1 process is a trillions of years process from low entropy temp and motion to high entropy temp and motion___yet this changing state motion is the absolute of absolute matter's initial state condition. Even your own post's condition of "Matter is all in a void," is a ground state of one___so the one state is what we are both working from. As a matter of fact, it's your own four axioms that make the unity condition required to explain all the universe's motion conditions and states, of S1 and S2 space.

3.Now as to quantumized angular wave matter. I state this as a differentiation between S1 ground state void space and S2 post first finite singularity Minkowsky/Einstein space. I see no way to make our points clear to each other until we accept some format of realization of the confusions that otherwise exist between trying to discuss the before and after states of universal evolution, unless we clarrify them with S1 and S2 designations, so we all know what state is truly being addressed. This new dialogue is what will make it possible for us to build a truly workable linear S1 model that we can show possible of creating the truly workable angular/linear S2 quantumized model. Thus when I refer to quantumized angular wave matter, it should now be clear that I am only referring to S2 space, and I'll try to remember to add the S2 qualifier, or when stating the ground state, I am always referring to the S1 non-quantumized linear only state.

It's of course a considerable bit confusing to many, if they haven't followed all my posts, as the language I have developed in the previous posts to others has clearly mentioned all I have stated above, but it's scattered all across this board. I've just been furiously discovering new ideas and trying to develop the dialogue necessary to discuss these issues, that it's been almost impossible to consider all the links necessary to relate these new ideas, that have been boiled out of our, and others inter-actions. I'm sorry for being unclear at times, but I only have so much time to work on these issues. I'll try better in the future.

Regards,
Lloyd

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

The cosmological void: Eternal and infinite
Fundamental matter: Eternal and finite
Motion of Fundamental Matter: Eternal and finite.
The universe: FINITE

Do not replace the Absolute Void with space; they are not the same.

David, in the above statements, I would add a few qualifiers___as;

The cosmological void: Eternal and infinite
Fundamental matter: Eternal, infinite and finite
Motion of Fundamental Matter: Eternal, infinite and finite.
The universe: INFINITE & FINITE

I'll just leave this for now, as it's the S1 and S2 clarrifications that need understanding to proceed further, and explain the above. As it may look to you, it does not create any problem for the conservation laws of physics, as it first may seem. Let me know if the S1 and S2 clarrifications are satisfactory, to designate the differences of the universes two time states.

Regards,
Lloyd