[dleviwing]

A Scenario of Absolute Fundamentals for the Creation of the Universe.

Let's try to create a new scenario to explain the observed expansion of the universe and maybe some of the other phenomena while we're at it.

First let's assume a place has always existed that we can work in and call it the "Void". Cosmos will work just as well.
Now we can imagine a fundamental entity we will need to make everything from. Imagine that this substance has a fundamental ability to stick to itself or to bond. We can call this property "Self-affinity".(Sa for short). We now have an aggregate of substance that does nothing but occupy a finite volume of the Void and has in effect, infinite mass according to current mathematical models. Unfortunately mass does not exist yet. What we have is an object of "infinite density" due to the strength of its bonding Sa.

Why is it just setting there doing nothing? Well we need to give it some energy. Oh this doesn't exist yet either. Rather than "Let there be Light" we will say "Let there be motion" and give it as much speed as it can handle as another property and call this "Absolute motion". Now we have an object of fundamental substance with absolute bonding and absolute motion. Still, no universe.

Well I guess we will need to make another object and then guide them into a collision. Science has speculated as to what it would look like if two galaxies were to collide their black-hole cores. Now we are about to create a collision that would make these black-hole encounters look like the spark from you socks as you take them from the dryer as viewed from the space station.

If we use the velocity suggested by quantum physics for expansion, then these objects are on a perfect head-on collision course at 2.0x10^20 meters per second. Even at this velocity, the objects bonding cannot be broken. Though the bonding is too strong to fragment the object, the enormous motion of their velocities must be converted. The conversion of this uniform motion of linear velocity is now converted into a chaotic vibration that results in the object experiencing a rapid expansion producing waves of matter in all direction within the object. This produces the so called Quantum Foam phase of the evolution of the universe.

The wave interference of this early stage of the universe produced pockets of angular momentum and thus the beginning of physical structure with the first fundamental quantum unity particle. Matter today in all its structures, still has the same motion it started with and thus all conservation laws of physics, owe their consistence to that motion.

The substance of the universe has been interacting with its self-affinity bonding to change the chaos of random wave motion to the stability of uniform motion as it had in the beginning and thus angular momentum of the elements and structures of the universe is the reduction of entropy and thus order rules rather than chaos.
Absolute motion and how it is distributed between wave and uniform motion is the key to understanding most all physical phenomena.

[michellemfry]

I would propose to you David, a view from the sun's point of view where masses have no velocity. The sun has no senses to observe things, it can only know where the masses are by sensing them through the push and pull of gravity. Which leads to rocking, which leads to spinning slowly, which is a stationary velocity of it's own.

Things can only be moved, not created or destroyed. The universe assumes what is and nothing more. The mass is pushed down upon. The inclination to contract is there yet not fully realized.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by michellemfry I would propose to you David, a view from the sun's point of view where masses have no velocity. The sun has no senses to observe things, it can only know where the masses are by sensing them through the push and pull of gravity. Which leads to rocking, which leads to spinning slowly, which is a stationary velocity of it's own. Things can only be moved, not created or destroyed. The universe assumes what is and nothing more. The mass is pushed down upon. The inclination to contract is there yet not fully realized.

Michelle;
The post is simply showing that the event that created our universe could easily be nothing more than a collision of pre-big-bang objects. Any scenario of a beginning of the universe is totally ambiguous until science is able to understand the "Absolute Fundamentals" of the substance of which it is formed from.

Your comments do not seem to be addressing that theme or the ideas of "Absolutes". Are you assuming I do not know or understand what gravity, mass, or motion are?

[michellemfry]

David, You know what, I don't know what I was thinking. I didn't even finish it in my own mind.

Please leave this one for a moderator to prune and join me in the Many Worlds Pub for the first meeting of the moderators. And I will try to sort out just what the heck I was thinking. I'm always trying to see the universe from the sun's point of view. We can't look directly at the sun, so seeing what the sun "sees" is what I have been doing. I figured 5 billion years would teach something to behave more intelligently in the universe.

I'm doing it again. Go to the pub. A new chapter awaits. The cutest servers are always there to wait on you. That's reason enough to forget my foolishness.

[dleviwing]

The first 2 images below represent a mathematical visual rendition of wave interference. The one on the left is produced using a single wavelength function at the 6 xyz extremes of a sphere. This results in a pattern that reflect the concepts of symmetry wave functions. The second image is a rendition of the same thing except with random wavelengths from scattered directions. This one proved to be an interesting and unexpected result when compared to the familiar image rendition of the variance of the microwave background radiation. It seems to produce a similar image suggesting that the broken symmetry of the universe may be due to random wave distribution and thus a collision rather than a singularity.

The first image was originally intended to represent the symmetry of the standing wave nature of particles and their structures. The second was originally intended to show the effect of external wave influence on that symmetry.

[baudrunner]

Interesting analogy.

What makes more sense than the pre-existence of objects in a pre-existing void that eventually collide to produce some chaotic bang is the subtle yet profound event of an accelerating creation front precipitating/condensing discrete energy loci which settle into quantum niches and become particles, which particle being a function of the amount of string interaction these energy loci experience, the first of course being the predominant ones, those bosons that comprise the space that defines the three dimensional framework wherein reality then manifests. In a sense then our immediate Universe would be merely "passing by" this particular region and would dissipate eventually with the last remaining laggards of the hysteresis from this cycle dragging themselves behind that front, which continues to create space and matter.

It's just so elegant.

[dleviwing]

Steve;
You seem to view the BB as meaning an explosion. The collision I refer to is not a shattering of pieces of substance, it is nothing more than what may be called good vibrations were formerly there were no wave function, only uniform motion.
I find that those who believe that there had to be a beginning seem to be those who have a fundamental need of a spiritual existence. Those who can believe that some form of existence has always been, seem to be comfortable with the aspect of a finality to life.

As I've said many times before, "any scenario of a beginning is just total conjecture; a lot like string theory. If you are comfortable with how you believe it, then to you it will serve just as well as any other scenario. No one can say who's right or wrong and those that do are being foolish.

[beyond_ur_imagination]

Hi Dlviwing,

the way u "created the universe" was really cool and logically imaginitive. but i would ask u this question - if the still void was wut u all had , From where did u create the energy to cause motion and then the collision. R u tryng to say out of absolute rest u created absolute motion ,creating energy from nothing!!!

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by beyond_ur_imagination Hi Dlviwing, the way u "created the universe" was really cool and logically imaginitive. but i would ask u this question - if the still void was wut u all had , From where did u create the energy to cause motion and then the collision. R u tryng to say out of absolute rest u created absolute motion ,creating energy from nothing!!!

Hi beyond;
May I first say welcome to ToeQuest.
The scenario is actually intended to say everything required for a universe to form has existed for an eternity. Think of it this way; How often do neutrinos collide with each other? It just required a collision to impart wave function onto the objects of a fundamental substance that basically caused the expansion process. This is the only physical substance and what one wishes to call it, is a matter of choice. (energy or matter) This scenario simply removes the need to explain a beginning but it is just as improvable as any other scenario in today's science; It's just more logical. Once we resolve ourselves to the fundamentals of nature, the weirdness factor of science should disappear.
Best regards;

[baudrunner]

Let it not go unsaid that I understand what you are trying to say, and it is pretty deep. But..(of course)..

I find it difficult to reconcile the notion of something that always was in a void that must have had dimension for all time, even if it was only event potential until it eventually was realized. I see time and mass as the result of spec motion velocity and angular momentum of all particles, force and matter, which because they approach "light speed" therefore contribute those two factors to reality, since at "light speed" an object has infinite mass in a place where time stands still. Therefore I see the entire Universe, matter and space, as an encapsulation of energy, without emptiness, and that provides the continuum of existence. So you understand that I have problems with a void existing for all time, because time is a product of creation, and a void is a void.

The ordering of energies into inanimate matter and the subsequent ordering of inanimate matter into cognizant life implies a determination of the process of evolution, as if some requirement is being met. Therein lie the foundations of the anthropocentric nature of reality.

Am I correct in assuming then that you believe that eventually the expansion will stop, even though it is an accelerating expansion, and begin a phase of contraction which will result in another Big Bang, if not a super massive black hole?