Time And Relativity

[dleviwing]

I find it amusing at times when someone will say that my views of time are purely classical and outdated, as if time were some style or fashion to keep up with the Jones'. Why would someone feel the need to view time as an entity, or as some mysterious phenomena of the universe?

Ah, I see; Einstein proved that time was not the immutable concept that Newton depicted it as being. Time is dependent on the state of the observers and their motions. I think someone has been confusing "space-time" and its mathematical geometry of space as being the replacement of time as viewed by us mere common mortals.

Einstein's space-time or 4D geometry (SR) injects a little subjective nature into our measurements of moving bodies. It is designed to correct for such anomalies of motion that was originally mathematically presented by Lorenz transformations. Einstein's geometry of space-time corrects for the anomalies produced by our expanding universe, the measurement problem of being limited by the speed of light, and the physical motions of the observer and the observed.

Uniform motion, such as velocity, tends to limit the degree of motion freedom of an atomic structure or particles such to prevent what we would consider to be a normal rate of decay or change and thus it is interpreted as time dilation. To the bodies experiencing this motion, time would appear normal but, to an observer outside this frame of reference, the object is increasing its mass. Our ability to know its position in space is being affected by the interval of time it takes our signal to both reach the object and return. Obviously the rate of velocity that something is moving will have an enormous effect when at great velocities.

General Relativity simply takes SR and incorporates the anomalies of the influence of mass on the renditions of space-time geometry. Though many of the physical phenomena inferred by Relativity are indeed real physical changes, the interpretations of cause of these changes may be debatable.

[Guille]

I agree. In fact, I think of space just in the same way as you do of time. It's a dimension, yes, but dimensions are not entities, nor are entities dimensions. This is direct experience: as entity, I can be percieved as having such and such properties, but I cannot be seen as a scale, I can't be seen as an x with negative to positive form which to position entities. For I'm an entity myself! By this I mean that dimensions inhere entities in the properties they measure (spacetime measure these, but there is also the dimension of logicity, of artistic, of stupidness...), but most importantly that entities can't be viewed as dimension from which to position other entities, so I shouldn't see others from how I am in such and such aspect, for I'm not a scale but just another entity.

[baudrunner]

Obviously the rate of velocity that something is moving will have an enormous effect when at great velocities.

That's true. The difference is negligable until we pass the ninety percent of light speed mark when it starts to become truly significant. The effect is calculated to be a factor of seven when travelling at 99.9% light speed. In other words, a traveller taking off from earth travelling at that speed for a seven year round trip to and back from a point in space almost three and a half light years away as seen from our frame of reference will have actually aged only about one year overall.

Though many of the physical phenomena inferred by Relativity are indeed real physical changes, the interpretations of cause of these changes may be debatable.

The above example of travelling at 99% light speed is true for uniform motion at that speed, and this phenomenon is also observed in practical experience, where adjustments for time differential is necessary to a GPS satellite's internal clock to compensate for a) the weaker effect of gravity, and b) the high rate of uniform velocity of the satellite. These accommodations make possible even more accurate positioning of earth bound objects.

Understandably, acelleration must affect the ability of an object/particle to maintain conventional behaviour but any behavioural anomaly should then in any practical sense not be encountered at uniform velocity, which to the object/particle is merely another inertial frame of reference. Some other explanation is needed because obviously something is going on.

[labelwench]

Hello David,

In reviewing your started threads, my impression of you is a being of mathematical understanding.

My path is that of biology in motion.

Time and space are quite fascinating to me, especially the perception of same once you have been on night shift for several years.

One spacial misjudgement was a near fatal error. Having understood and adjusted for same, I now notice an interesting property of time/space/travel.

Very interesting when you want to be to work on time and you are running late. How do you get there without speeding?

Driving at 80 km/hr bcause the roads are a sheet of ice, I have several times arrived in locations five minutes earlier than physics would ascribe.

I can't explain, nor do I feel a need to. Works for me.....

[G_burnett]

Hello David,

In reviewing your started threads, my impression of you is a being of mathematical understanding.

My path is that of biology in motion.

Time and space are quite fascinating to me, especially the perception of same once you have been on night shift for several years.

One spacial misjudgment was a near fatal error. Having understood and adjusted for same, I now notice an interesting property of time/space/travel.

Very interesting when you want to be to work on time and you are running late. How do you get there without speeding?

Driving at 80 km/hr because the roads are a sheet of ice, I have several times arrived in locations five minutes earlier than physics would ascribe.

I can't explain, nor do I feel a need to. Works for me.....

Hi LW ...there are two no actually three that would come to mind for a solution to you dilemma and ponder... one is of course the measure of distance on the roads up there are incorrect by Government design to mislead terrorists to exactly where secret silos are in your area containing nukes ...

....the other is your tires are not at the right PSI in the cold forgetting to check them

and the third is you have suffered an alien abduction and need immediate attention to the balance of your mind being reinstated ... after checking with my friends off world they do report some experiments done in your area regards some DNA changes to female adults and have the capabilities to travel at such high velocity to the effect being more then you would have really been in event but they will not reveal who until next they chat in the pub with me or visit my isle in the sky come summer break ... u are welcome to attend but they are not to reliable with appointments due to certain time dilations abnormalities ..

(there are a few Doctors in the house that i am sure will assist you in the latter being more the case for you.)

kind regards g.

[labelwench]

Hi LW ...there are two no actually three that would come to mind for a solution to you dilemma and ponder... one is of course the measure of distance on the roads up there are incorrect by Government design to mislead terrorists to exactly where secret silos are in your area containing nukes ...

....the other is your tires are not at the right PSI in the cold forgetting to check them

and the third is you have suffered an alien abduction and need immediate attention to the balance of your mind being reinstated ... after checking with my friends off world they do report some experiments done in your area regards some DNA changes to female adults and have the capabilities to travel at such high velocity to the effect being more then you would have really been in event but they will not reveal who until next they chat in the pub with me or visit my isle in the sky come summer break ... u are welcome to attend but they are not to reliable with appointments due to certain time dilations abnormalities ..

Having measured the exact distance many times, the established route is of the distance of 24.5 km. That is the constant.

The temperature is variable and the tire pressure and performance may be affected as rubber contracts. That aspect I leave in the hands of Toyota as manufacturer and maintainer of said conveyance. Road conditions are another variable. That being said, the basic math of 80 km/hr divided by the 24.5 km distance, should take 18.37 minutes, but of course there are a couple of stop signs, curves and speed zones, so the top speed on icy roads is not a constant.

As for being kidnaped by aliens, LOL, it is I who would experiment on them, being a Scorpio.

[B]One of my real theories is that the brain operates in mysterious ways [/B](especially the female mind on nightshift, you have my permission to ROTFLYAO), and that while I am travelling the speed limit whenever I glance at my speedometer, I may in fact be be travelling faster when it is opportune. The subconscious is quite adept at tricking the conscious, so I would be truthful in my assertion of the speed I perceived I was travelling. The subconscious would distract me from the guage by occupying my mind with other thoughts.

Very seldom tardy, yet somewhat apprehensive of night travel, wild life and road conditions, I can perceive my psyche finding a way to assist me in maintaining my attendance record without intent of being irresponsible.

Perception of reality is reality, hence the many variables.

[G_burnett]

hmm so ruling out the first two ...IT WAS ALIENS! yes i knew it. ))) g

[labelwench]

And thus it came to pass, that "Woe Unto Man" was conveniently shortened to "Woman".

When a woman tells a female type joke, it is acceptable on the grounds that we are allowed to not take ourselves too seriously, with all due respect to the "Political Correctness" of today.

(Go ahead, Graham, You be the one to post that on TP's current 'Battle between the sexes thread'.......)

I believe that is a triple dare......

Sorry, sorry, sorry, but that is what happens to me on my turn-around shift when I stay up for 20 + hours. LW

[G_burnett]

Relatively over time the nuances of speech do have ways of changing to keep on thread..here

I thought it was more descriptive of female horse tenders saying whoa there man out of habit to who really wore the pants in the family.. and be came a label of the wench such as she is a "Whoa-man" type of female ...
I am sure as the forces in the universe are so relative to each other in a unified ponder as the forces between the unity of two clumps of matter are relative ... one for the example saying I am the man, god particle, almighty, boss and ruler of my kingdom horse, ass, and wife and children, in that order .. did not in theory record the comment after "Is that Ok to say wife, dear?" Probably because the man was doing the writing and thought in humor to leave it out. so much for history

Now in review of the true state of affairs as in all good research and experience of awareness into the true nature of things, science at the basic, Woman has her proper place at the head of the table, opposite, the other head of the table, the kids in another room, the woman thinking about horses and the man thinking about the only thing left he can ... all relativity made manifest.

[dleviwing]

Hello David,

In reviewing your started threads, my impression of you is a being of mathematical understanding.

My path is that of biology in motion.

Time and space are quite fascinating to me, especially the perception of same once you have been on night shift for several years.

One spacial misjudgement was a near fatal error. Having understood and adjusted for same, I now notice an interesting property of time/space/travel.

Very interesting when you want to be to work on time and you are running late. How do you get there without speeding?

Driving at 80 km/hr bcause the roads are a sheet of ice, I have several times arrived in locations five minutes earlier than physics would ascribe.

I can't explain, nor do I feel a need to. Works for me.....

Labelwench;
The course between your home and your work is not a precision environment suitable for performing measurements of time, speed, nor distance; the instruments you’re using are not suitable either. You just need better science!

I’m assuming you are not a blond!