[dipayankar]

The link talks of a very interesting experiment. Can anyone please elaborate on the theory which this experiment proves??

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

IC, the energy of fundamental energy/matter motion is the source of all light___period. You have your fundamentals backwards...

Links: http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/s...ress_links.htm

regards,

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

The link talks of a very interesting experiment. Can anyone please elaborate on the theory which this experiment proves??

Matter is light at its densest frequency of vibration - matter is not creating light - " increase the frequencies of matter" by nudging it with a laser beam of coherent light and you get death the death of matter it no longer exists i.e. it turns back to light.

If matter no longer exists when it is changed back to light then it cannot be the fundamental source of light. There is no matter left to be the source of anything. If matter was the fundamental source of light through its energy/motion it would still exist after light was removed from it - it does not. In fact the opposite is determined to be true i.e. light is the fundamental source of energy/matter/motion. This is what the Harvard experiments with light have established.

This is no theory - this is established scientific fact ! This is the knowledge of Light that will take humanity up out of the darkness of its youth to its maturity in the Golden Age of Enlightenment !

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

IC, the energy of fundamental energy/matter motion is the source of all light___period. You have your fundamentals backwards...

Links: http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/s...ress_links.htm

regards,

LG, and dleviwing, You say, "the 'energy' of fundamental energy/matter/motion is the source of all light." What is the "energy" of fundamental energy/matter/motion that you are talking about i.e. what is its source ? ? ?

If you do not know what 'that energy' is how can you possibly know if it is the fundamental source ? ? ?

For your information knowing the source of that energy and knowing that Coherent Light is the source of energy/matter/motion is the knowledge that ulocks the T.O.E. and until you understand that you will never understand the T.O.E. and you will never rise above your prejudices and remain in your ignorance unenlightened all the days of your life.

Enlighten = get the light of truth and knowledge to; free from prejudice and ignorance. "Life is Spirit, (i.e. aware consciousness) and Spirit is static. Life is not chemistry or germ of matter. Knowledge of Light alone will give you knowledge of life, for Light is the source of all knowledge, and Sound is the Spirit, or life itself." Coherent Light is the Light & Sound together.

Matter is the congealed light and sound as particles and waves that make up our physical-material universe.

WE do not get matter to get the truth and knowledge - we get the light to get the truth and knowledge - we get enlightened.

Matter is light at its densest frequency of vibration - matter is not creating light - " increase the frequencies of matter" by nudging it with a laser beam of coherent light and you get death - the death of matter - it no longer exists i.e. it turns back to light.

If matter no longer exists when it is changed back to light then it cannot be the fundamental source of light. There is no matter left to be the source of anything. If matter was the fundamental source of light through its energy/motion it would still exist after light was removed from it - it does not. In fact the opposite is determined to be true i.e. light is the fundamental source of energy/matter/motion. This is what the Harvard experiments with light have established.

If one has not merged back inside with their True Light or Light of Truth they die along with the matter of the body and experience its death throes !

Increase the frequency of light i.e. the higher frequencies of light in the alpha - theta - delta - and omega - brain waves and you get higher consciousness and overall better chemical production in the body and brain along with more peace - bliss - happiness - and contentment.

This is no theory - this is established scientific fact ! This is the knowledge of Light that will take humanity up out of the darkness of its youth to its maturity in the Golden Age of True En-lighten-ment !

[Lloyd Gillespie]

IC, you still have your fundamentals backwards... and also in answer to Dipayankar, but to the ideas below. The universal law of energy is substance motions first. Without substance motions, i.e., the ability to do work, the fundamental universal law of matter/motion, you have no energy created, to do said work. Energy just doesn't appear as magic___it's the real fundamental action of any substance in motion___period. In the experiment referred above, neither the Bose/Einstein condensates, nor the original matter/light waves dissappear, the Bose/Einstein condensates still remain, after the experiment, and the light changes back to its thinner matter state of a non-viscous fluid light[partially conjecture, yet also reasoned fact]. You seem to forget, matter is everything in a void___you can't avoid this most fundamental of scientific facts___nothing functions scientifically, without it!

A more easy way to understand the universe is to see E=MC^2 as the absolute hydrodynamic equation, then comparatively, change it to E=M-C^2, to see the complete universal function of all waves of fundamental substance. Whether you use Hau's experiment, or Einstein's proven formula of mass to energy, or energy to mass, it still requires the initial fundamental substance, to produce work, i.e., energy___the secondary/primary force of nature___the hydrodynamic motion of all universal waves, on into chromodynamics and finally electrodynamics. Hau's and Einstein's models both show the hydrodynamics of universal wave motions' compressions, yet most haven't the eyes to penetrate to the depths of the fundamental mechanics, of universal fundamental substance/matter/energy motions. Keep going___you'll get there...

Just as Dave stated in another post, matter mass density thins toward the fundamental substance, and matter mass density thickens toward the matter we know as reality, or you can also see it as wave density, oscillations, uniformity to radomness to uniformity, vibrations, frequencies, on and on, however you want it___it still requires a fundamental source of absolute matter/substance motions... I say the substance motions are fundamentally thermo-hydro-dynamic, and Dave still wishes to see them as electrodynamic absolute motion. I can not accept absolute motion, as that puts the entire model right back into the already failed infinitesimal point of all past physics models, that we all know are foolish. Such a model fails on two points; 1.There is no prime mover source[impossible under absolute motion models] and 2.Absolute motion models end in the infinitesimal point problem of the last hundred years [and we know, and both agree, that's foolish physics]. So the only thing left is the absolute hydrodynamics models of Hau's and Einstein's hydrodynamic compressions of matter/light/mass motions. Einstein's formula; E=MC^2 is the absolute hydrodynamic equation of all universal wave motions___period...

Lloyd

[Dr. Waldrope]

IC:

Which came first; the chicken or the egg?

Obviously the egg....
The egg was around long before the chicken.

Though I take your general meaning, I'm afraid that LG has you on this point.

This, however, does not mean that you aren't on the right track. Do some more research, hone your semantics, and keep plugging away.

Yours,
dr.w

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness

Dleviwing, are you prepared to quit your position as Super Moderator and be just another member of ToeQuest if coherent light is proven to be a source of energy and matter ? ? ?

Your proposition is acceptable only if you get off ToeQuest forever if you CAN’T prove it. I'll give you one week before I ban you permanently. Or you apologize to all members and admit to being foolish.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

IC, the energy of fundamental energy/matter motion is the source of all light___period. You have your fundamentals backwards...

Links: http://www.deas.harvard.edu/haulab/s...ress_links.htm

regards,

Lg, are you aware of "Prana" energy ??? Prana energy is the energy of energy/matter/motion. It is not the "fundamental energy." Prana energy or the energy of the scientists is the energy released from frozen or stopped light which is changed to matter - you and dleviwing have your fundamentals backwards - the energy that you both are referring to is Prana energy which is energy from matter i.e. stopped light.

The energy from matter is Prana or the negative energy i.e. the imprint congealed 50 million times smaller and a perfect holographic copy of all the universe as a thought. This is the "microcosm" while the the projected outward animated version is the "macrocosm" or the physical-material universe that we see.

There is only one energy. Prana is the negative or manifested aspect of the energy that is one. Prana is not the fundamental energy - prana is the energy created from the slowing and stopping of the frequencies of Pure Coherent Light and any light coming from Prana energy is not the "True Light."

The fundamental energy is the Pure Coherent Light i.e. the Light & Sound together which when slowed and stopped separates the Light & Sound from each other which creates the illusion because the Light & Sound as the "Word" of God is immutable any separation is illusion.

When the Pure Light is stopped - it is changed to matter i.e its frequencies are vibration at the frequencies of matter - and as the light is still - the sound - which is the source of Pure Light arises out of the matter that the light has now become - this sound arising out of matter is Prana or the energy of the scientists - it carries the imprint (in-formation)of the universe congealed 50 million times smaller i.e. the microcosm - this is the negative aspect of the energy that is one. We need to access this energy in its Pure state prior to becoming Prana or the energy from matter which contains and is limited to the in-formation of matter.

This true science is established and proved as true by the Lene Hau experiments at Harvard. You, dleviwing, and the rest of the materialists, have your fundamentals backwards.

Re: Matter is everything in a void: There is no matter in a void it is empty - vacant. Saying matter is everything in a void is an oxymoron similar to, "Avoid accidents by making haste slowly." OXYMORON, = neuter of oxymoros pointedly stupid, foolish. You both need to apoligize to the members for being obviously foolish re "Matter is everything in a void."

Dr. Waldrope, it would be to your benefit to know what you are talking about before putting your foot in your mouth ! You my friend are the one who needs to do some more research !

For your information, re the "Nature of Self: Though we know that the Self is, yet we do not know what it is, for knowledge itself follows the Self and is due to and because of the Self. The true nature of the Self, may however, be comprehended by the Self itself if it could be stripped of all the enshrouding sheaths in which it is enclosed and covered: senses, mind, understanding and will; and what is left is variously described as 'Undifferentiated Consciousness',the 'Eternal Knowledge' or 'Pure Awareness' characterized by the "Light of the Great Void."

It is the supreme principle whose essential nature is self-effulgence. It is Infinite, transcendental and the essence of absolute knowledge. It has three attributes of Sat, Chit and Anand. i.e. pure existence, pure knowledge and pure bliss.

As the Self or Atman is complete and full in Itself, and by Itself, It has no activity of Its own, nor has any need for it, nor requires any agency therefor, All-pervading and self-existent, It knows no limits and no motives.

This is the T.O.E. i.e the Theory of Everything derived from the T.O.E. or Truth of Everything.

William James McCann III

[Lloyd Gillespie]

ic...Woo___Wooo___Woooo and the UFO goes up again...

[dleviwing]

IC
Prana energy is a term used in your oxymoron views of reality, not in real science. It is an attempt to convince the weak minded that an idea is supported by science methodology and thus is a deceptive practice. If you wish to use science to prove your belief system, then learn the science. You seem to put far too much fiber in your posts and in your brain.

[Dr. Waldrope]

IC,

Testy, aren't you? I was merely refering to the points made by David and Lloyd regarding energy from a macroscopic, empirical viewpoint. I am, essentially, in accord with your position. I just think your semantics needs a bit of tweeking. Your last post is much more accurate I think. Refer to my earlier posts on other threads regarding metaphysics v/s physics and the Hermetic thought on frequency, vibration, etc. All of this search for a linear approach to the TOE is ridiculous in my opinion. All is all that is...period.
Prana =Qi=breath=apparent fundamental energy is just part of that. The fundamental truth is unknowable.
David and Lloyd have their language. You have yours and I have mine...etc, etc.
The photon (egg) is the fundamental form of energy (chicken).
The mind of god (egg) is the fundamental form of prana (chicken).
Your statement about "congealed" light is essentially correct. It's just not stated very well. Hence my comment to you. Just relax
If you have any hope of convincing David or Lloyd of your viewpoint, you might want to do as I suggested so that they may understand you more fully. Be at peace
yours,
dr.w

ps: got something against UFO's Lloyd??