It wasn't about god, dip. It was a quentioning about the method used to discern what reality is.
People once thought lightning was a god, and now we call it lightning. My question would be to those people back then, and to people in modern times, what is lightning made of exactly? And keep questioning until we reach the "fundamental building blocks" of reality.
Can it be reached through empirical science? Can it be reached through theoretical science? Can it be reached through philosophical science?
Nobody, you've been told about 100 times what FS is, by me, David and others, and you just stubbornly refuse to admit it, even after you yourself, quite frequently make the mistake of defining it yourself. David just told you again, in his last few posts...
Take your "Everything is forbidden shades off..."
Lloyd
__________________ "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G. "The tick-tick-tick of the cesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.
Science can only limit itself to be adecuate for the world, for society, for humanity, for the space-time point it is in. It can never give us knowledge which is truth, fro truth is something derived from our propositions, not from nature.
Now, leaving the philosophy of science and getting into science itself (even though there is not that much difference between them), I understand what you say, but it rellies on the 'absolute void'. This term is a bit confusing, because it seems it's the same concept as aether. Is there a difference (if so, what?)? Can the two concepts be together in the same explanation of the universe?
Dear Guille:
As I understand it, 'the void' is bereft of anything at all - pure volume; non metric space. The 'aether' (one of many terms for qualified space) contains something - metric space, aka, 'functional space' that is proactive with what occurs in it (beginning with matter - from which all things originate, as I understand it.)
Regards
-RP
__________________ (George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
This can be reached by careful observation and correct deciphering of information...
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Originally Posted by N0B0DY
It wasn't about god, dip. It was a quentioning about the method used to discern what reality is.
People once thought lightning was a god, and now we call it lightning. My question would be to those people back then, and to people in modern times, what is lightning made of exactly? And keep questioning until we reach the "fundamental building blocks" of reality.
Can it be reached through empirical science? Can it be reached through theoretical science? Can it be reached through philosophical science?
Dear David:
If sentient beings such as ourselves are continguous with the universe, then the universe and everything in is is bound to be alive and conscious - all of it, from the mountains, to the valleys, to the oceans, white with foam, the lower 48 and the back forty, lock, stock and bananas. Etceteras. Physical atonement. No ifs, buts, maybes or impositions. Opinion and philosophy is irrelevant here. Operative phrase: if sentinent beings such as ourselves are contiguous with the universe - then the universe is contiguous with us... (for example)
Regards
-RP
__________________ (George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
This can be reached by careful observation and correct deciphering of information...
I agree, dip, but even Einstein died without knowing what a "photon" is exactly. Much like Lloyd's FS is a good basis for relativity, but knowing exactly what the FS is made of is another story. So it seems our sense of reality lies in what makes sense in our minds.
Dear David:
If sentient beings such as ourselves are continguous with the universe, then the universe and everything in is is bound to be alive and conscious - all of it, from the mountains, to the valleys, to the oceans, white with foam, the lower 48 and the back forty, lock, stock and bananas. Etceteras. Physical atonement. No ifs, buts, maybes or impositions. Opinion and philosophy is irrelevant here. Operative phrase: if sentinent beings such as ourselves are contiguous with the universe - then the universe is contiguous with us... (for example)
I don’t think I would attach the enigma of consciousness and animation to all levels of life. It doesn’t need to be an ecumenical movement.
Michelangilo Buonarroti taught me long ago: if one is searching for truth, study nature.
I also like this quote of his, "I saw the angel in the marbel and carved until I set him free".
Perhaps then, whilst one is studying nature in search of truth, and at the same time carves away the uncertain complications of thought, one might find nature's beautiful simple truth. And perhaps, another masterpiece!
Truth is everything that matters in a void or anywhere else. Truth is nature.
I don’t think I would attach the enigma of consciousness and animation to all levels of life. It doesn’t need to be an ecumenical movement.
David:
My divorced mother married 'the only Indian in town'. It's probably my childhood experiences on Native American reservations that, umm, made that connection.
__________________ (George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Michelangilo Buonarroti taught me long ago: if one is searching for truth, study nature.
I also like this quote of his, "I saw the angel in the marbel and carved until I set him free".
Perhaps then, whilst one is studying nature in search of truth, and at the same time carves away the uncertain complications of thought, one might find nature's beautiful simple truth. And perhaps, another masterpiece!
Truth is everything that matters in a void or anywhere else.
Truth is nature.
MJA
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Your post reminds me of a boy savant who, with a jackknife, carved a contiguous, detailed masterpiece of running horses from a single block of wood.
When asked how he did it, he replied: "I saw the horses and I had to set them free".
Moving right along and to a change of topic, right here on this forum I've heard people say you 'can't find the truth in nature' (I'm not saying any names.) I guess this contributes to the truth that you can find falsity anywhere except in (uninterrupted, mistranslated) nature.
Good post MJA.
Regards,
-RP
__________________ (George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
We follow a chain and somehow the chain leads us to something from nothing if followed logically. Most of the time, we tend to 'invent' our own theories and concoctions just to please ourselves as well as satisfy our theories..
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This can be reached by careful observation and correct deciphering of information...
I agree, dip, but even Einstein died without knowing what a "photon" is exactly. Much like Lloyd's FS is a good basis for relativity, but knowing exactly what the FS is made of is another story. So it seems our sense of reality lies in what makes sense in our minds.
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