[dipayankar]

They do exist. But as you pointed out, we do not know the property of the 'photon' because of uncertainty. Do they have mass?? If not, how do we see photo electricity? If they do have mass, when a deluge of photon hits some sensitive substance, why is the physical state not altered??

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Dip, I have to disagree with you on this one. Since the photon has never truly been identified, specifically, it may exist as the absolute fundamental non-electromagnetic substance, and this is the foundation of my whole thought processes. Since uncertainty still holds the photon's exact description blind to us, I state such a fundamental substance absolutely must exist, to found and ground all physical theories of matter.

[dleviwing]

Lloyd;
Unfortunately your post indicates you do not comprehend the physics of pressure nor temperature. Until you do, don’t waste my time with your incompetence. I also find your attempt to interpret my English into your English rather childish. Are you really that asinine?

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie And David, you are just trying to shunt everything out into QM, again. You accept QM as your fundamental method of seeing the universe, and I use CM(celestial mechanics) as my preferred method of fundamental understanding of seeing the universe. Your statement, "Temperature and pressure have no relevance when we view reality at its most fundamental levels...", is wrong and has no relavance to my way of seeing the most fundamental level. According to your way of looking at the universe, temperatures and pressures would have no affect on gasses,{ridiculous} which are most likely the most fundamental of substances, and I mean what helium and hydrogen may possibly break down too, he4-7 and h3-4 etc. Physics is only on the cutting edge of such scientific breakthroughs, and as you yourself have admitted, the FS you talk about may be a non-viscous fluid. Well, what to hell is a gas, if not a non-viscous fluid, and they've already been discovered in four areas of solid physics experiments? David, your non-viscous fluid FS may even be a photonic gas or yet undiscovered plasma??? This is what we need be looking at, then you may understand why temperature and pressure are so important to fundamental levels of any sound first physics theory or fact...

[dipayankar]

Where did the fundamental material of Big Bang come from?? We cant shut our eyes and say that it is outside the realm of science.. we are then fooling ourselves..

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Where did the fundamental material of Big Bang come from?? We cant shut our eyes and say that it is outside the realm of science.. we are then fooling ourselves..

Last I checked Dip, the laws of physics require it to have always been. The argument is over, how exactly did it turn from its most fundamental state, to the state of the big-bang forward...? Where and how do fundamental waves of matter form larger bits of matter? I say the existing universe, the one we empirically physically know, shows no evidence of absolute fundamental wave substance evolving to real physical bits +, therefore; IMO, the fundamental matter waves had to form into solid physical bits[and larger] of matter, in the first finite singularity/star/black-hole___however you want it... The only point I'm trying to make is that; all viable visible matter, had to form into said state, from wave matter___Before, and at, the Big-Bang, and on...

There's no visible evidence___otherwise, or to the contrary... No wave matter forms into real matter bits, within our visible finite universe... If anyone says they do___where...?

Lloyd

[MJA]

Did the big bang make any noise?

MJA

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by MJA Did the big bang make any noise?

You’re being quite silly MJA. That question is only one that a child would ask. If you are truly that handicapped then the answer is: NO AIR, NO EAR, NO SOUND.

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Last I checked Dip, the laws of physics require it to have always been. The argument is over, how exactly did it turn from its most fundamental state, to the state of the big-bang forward...? Where and how do fundamental waves of matter form larger bits of matter? I say the existing universe, the one we empirically physically know, shows no evidence of absolute fundamental wave substance evolving to real physical bits +, therefore; IMO, the fundamental matter waves had to form into solid physical bits[and larger] of matter, in the first finite singularity/star/black-hole___however you want it... The only point I'm trying to make is that; all viable visible matter, had to form into said state, from wave matter___Before, and at, the Big-Bang, and on... There's no visible evidence___otherwise, or to the contrary... No wave matter forms into real matter bits, within our visible finite universe... If anyone says they do___where...? Lloyd

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I'm with you on the issue of 'the origin' of the material universal material, Lloyd. The laws of physics - until further notice - determine that matter has always been.

Regards,
- RP

[MJA]

Originally Posted by dleviwing You’re being quite silly MJA. That question is only one that a child would ask. If you are truly that handicapped then the answer is: NO AIR, NO EAR, NO SOUND.

David,

If you wouldn't mind answering one more childish question.

If the Big Bang Theory made no sound, as you state, then should the name be changed to the Big Dud Theory?!

Thanks,
MJA

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by MJA If the Big Bang Theory made no sound, as you state, then should the name be changed to the Big Dud Theory?!

Calling it the “Big Bang” was originally a sarcastic joke. It is an expansion and not an explosion; so even the name gives a false impression. The name caught on due to the newspaper media of the time liked it. Maybe we can get the name changed to “Grand Expanse Theory”; GET it?

Seriously, are you a teenager Mikey?

[dipayankar]

But doesn't it violate the theory of conservation of Energy and Matter? Or did the theory start from the Big Bang onwards??

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Last I checked Dip, the laws of physics require it to have always been. The argument is over, how exactly did it turn from its most fundamental state, to the state of the big-bang forward...? Where and how do fundamental waves of matter form larger bits of matter? I say the existing universe, the one we empirically physically know, shows no evidence of absolute fundamental wave substance evolving to real physical bits +, therefore; IMO, the fundamental matter waves had to form into solid physical bits[and larger] of matter, in the first finite singularity/star/black-hole___however you want it... The only point I'm trying to make is that; all viable visible matter, had to form into said state, from wave matter___Before, and at, the Big-Bang, and on... There's no visible evidence___otherwise, or to the contrary... No wave matter forms into real matter bits, within our visible finite universe... If anyone says they do___where...? Lloyd