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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 01:47 PM

"(A repelling force, unlike any known other, in that it becomes greater with increased distance. Re: acceleration.)" - http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mai...insteinGroupie

Is the above related to the strong force, which is commonly thought to be an attractive force that increases with distance?

"Their causal identity is the physically accelerating expansion of the universe at large."

Also, what is the universe expanding into? Perhaps your explanation may be more satisfatory than others.
  
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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 04:13 PM

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"(A repelling force, unlike any known other, in that it becomes greater with increased distance. Re: acceleration.)" - http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mai...insteinGroupie

Is the above related to the strong force, which is commonly thought to be an attractive force that increases with distance?

"Their causal identity is the physically accelerating expansion of the universe at large."

Also, what is the universe expanding into? Perhaps your explanation may be more satisfatory than others.
Dear Nobody:
Can't say as I know of any force of attraction that increases with distance. To the best of my knowledge that quality is uniquely applicable to the Cosmological Constant, which is a repelling force which increases with distance.

Will you tell me where you learned of an attractive force that increases with distance?

There are different schools of thought on where, when and how the universe is expanding, some say the universe is finite, some say it's infinite. Some say it's an 'open' universe', some say it's closed, and some say - in the words or Einstein, that 'the universe is finite in space but unbounded in time'. I happen to agree with Einstein's view on this issue.

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Rascal if gravity was at one end of the string and love at the other,what do you think would be at the middle way?



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If gravity was one end of the string and love at the other end, I think maybe temperance would be a an appropriate center.

Always good to hear from you, Michael.

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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 05:19 PM

Falling in love would be in the middle.
  
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If gravity was one end of the string and love at the other end, I think maybe temperance would be a an appropriate center.

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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 07:38 PM

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Just One question if you please,
In the above equation: What is the numerical equivalence of F?
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MJA ... It would be in Kilograms/metre2 (metre squared). You only need to know what the two objects "weigh" in kilograms and the distance between them. If you are usings pounds and yards then the value of the gravitational constant would also have a different value. Otherwise it would not be a constant, which means it has a fixed value regardless of the 'numerical rulers' being used. This is one of the reasons why matter is 'atomic' or 'discontinuous' in structure. IMO

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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 08:15 PM

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..... Is the above related to the strong force, which is commonly thought to be an attractive force that increases with distance? .......

Also, what is the universe expanding into? Perhaps your explanation may be more satisfatory than others.
Nobody ... IMO it is expanding in Spacetime

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Can't say as I know of any force of attraction that increases with distance. To the best of my knowledge that quality is uniquely applicable to the Cosmological Constant, which is a repelling force which increases with distance.

Will you tell me where you learned of an attractive force that increases with distance?
The Strong Force is the force that that acts between Quarks. Quarks have asymptotic freedom, which means they may approach each other, the same as an arc may approach a straight line getting closer and closer, but never touch. In fact an Asymptotic curve may or may not touch.

Rascal would say this is a Zeno's paradox of an explanation , and is only a paradox while time is excluded. I don't agree with him on this and I believe I can disprove Zeno's Paradox without using time. The Wiki has a good explanation of Asymptotic Freedom.

As Quarks approach each other the Stong Force gets weaker and weaker. If you try to separate Quarks the energy needed becomes greater as the distance increases. Long before you have separated them the energy input has climbed so high that a new Quark-AntiQuark pair is born. This explains why Quarks are never found singly.

The Strong force is the opposite of the Electrical force, it gets weaker as the Quarks approach each other and therby promises the only method for Science to study individual Quarks. They are less affected by each other the closer they are together, they share asymptotic freedom. This is the domain where a single Quark is most free. (Austin ... a poem please, topic - we are most free when we are asymptotically co-joined )

This is because Gluons (messenger particles of the quarks) are not simple messenger particles, but actually exert forces on each other. Wheras Photons ignore each other!!

The Electrical force gets weaker the greater the distance. It has two measurable properties, Positive and Negative, between which potential exists. Ben Franklin named them positive and negative, or plus and minus. He could have named them Nobody and Somebody, it doesn't matter they are just names for a single dimensional force.

The Strong force gets stronger the greater the distance, it is not a one dimensional force, so positive and negative are not applicable. Therefore it has been described with colours, this is also just a name like plus and minus. But as there are three properties with potential they used colours instead. They could have used anything that was not a description of a boolean value such as on/off or plus/minus or true/false.

The important point is that the ElectroMagnetic force has been unified with the Weak Nuclear force. As the quarks approach each other the Strong Nuclear force begins to 'resemble' the Weak Nuclear force. This promises a unification of all three forces.

Unfortunately Rascal has dis-allowed these forces and particles in his theory of gravity and so we have to debate his theory without them. However I myself believe that the TOE will contain QED and QCD dynamics in its explanation.

For an explanation of this in depth you would need to ask Antonio Lao or DLeviwing.

Hope this helps ... greg


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Re: The Causal Identity of Gravity - 07-29-2007, 08:35 PM

[quote=Graybeard;32759]From my "Principia" edition of 1726





Thanks for your help Greg,
Here are all the numbers for the above equation except the number for F or force.
With all the zeros included can you or any one compute the number for F?


"Mass of the Earth = 5.98 × 1024 kg" = 5000000000000000000000000.98 kg
"Mass of the moon = 7.36 × 1022 kg" = 70000000000000000000000.36 kg

"Gravitational Constant (see above) = -600000000000.67 ? (Gravities?)
"Mean distance between Earth and moon = 384,400 km
Numerically F =( Fill in the number )?

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