The Causal Identity of Gravity

[RascalPuff]

Gravity on or near a major coordinate system is the omnidirectionally accelerating expansion of the coordinate system itself; constituting the 4-D space time continuum of matter-energy. This generates a repelling force, causing objects to be pinned to the earth's surface, and the apparent 'descent' of objects in free fall...

Action-at-a-distance (tidal effect as applied - for example - to aquatic, atmospheric and terrestrial tides) is caused by the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism (electromagnetism: effecting an impelling force), originating from and generated by, given ('material') 4-D coordinate systems.

Regards,
- RP

http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie

[Graybeard]

Gravity on or near a major coordinate system is the omnidirectionally accelerating expansion of the coordinate system itself; constituting the 4-D space time continuum of matter-energy. This generates a repelling force, causing objects to be pinned to the earth's surface, and the apparent 'descent' of objects in free fall...
Regards,
- RP

http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie

I have something to say about this ... But only if you are prepared to debate it ...

cool bananas ... greg

[RascalPuff]

I have something to say about this ... But only if you are prepared to debate it ...

cool bananas ... greg

Hey Greg:

Been agreeing, disagreeing and debating around this since 1959

http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie

Are you prepared to read it, or excerpts from it?

Kewl Kukumbers
(somethings picked up from the cool bananas guy)

- RP

[Graybeard]

1.. Gravity on or near a major coordinate system is the omnidirectionally accelerating expansion of the coordinate system itself; constituting the 4-D space time continuum of matter-energy.

2.. This generates a repelling force, causing objects to be pinned to the earth's surface, and the apparent 'descent' of objects in free fall...

Rascal ......

Point 1 seems to re-state Einsteins Principle of Equivalence. I have never heard anyone on this forum disagree with this principle.

From the Wiki ... The equivalence principle proper was introduced by Albert Einstein in 1907, when he observed that the acceleration of bodies towards the center of the Earth at a rate of 1g (g = 9.81 m/s2 being the acceleration of gravity at the Earth's surface) is equivalent to the acceleration of an inertially moving body that would be observed on a rocket in free space being accelerated at a rate of 1g. Einstein stated it thus:

"we [...] assume the complete physical equivalence of a gravitational field and a corresponding acceleration of the reference system." (Einstein 1907)

What I am not quite clear on is your Point 2. Why do you claim that acceleration generates a repelling force. Do you disagree with inertial mass? Can you extroplate this part ?

Action-at-a-distance (tidal effect as applied - for example - to aquatic, atmospheric and terrestrial tides) is caused by the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism (electromagnetism: effecting an impelling force), originating from and generated by, given ('material') 4-D coordinate systems.

How do you explain this if we were in the presence of a neutron Star


Kewl bananas .... greg

[RascalPuff]

---Quote (Originally by RascalPuff)---

1.. Gravity on or near a major coordinate system is the omnidirectionally
accelerating expansion of the coordinate system itself; constituting the 4-D
space time continuum of matter-energy.

2.. This generates a repelling force, causing objects to be pinned to the
earth's surface, and the apparent 'descent' of objects in free fall...
---End Quote---
Rascal ......

Point 1 seems to re-state Einsteins Principle of Equivalence. I have never heard
anyone on this forum disagree with this principle.
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Point 1 does restate Einstein's Principle of Equivalence.

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---Quote---
*From the Wiki* ... The equivalence principle proper was introduced by Albert
Einstein in 1907, when he observed that the acceleration of bodies towards the
center of the Earth at a rate of 1g (g = 9.81 m/s2 being the acceleration of
gravity at the Earth's surface) is equivalent to the acceleration of an
inertially moving body that would be observed on a rocket in free space being
accelerated at a rate of 1g. Einstein stated it thus:

"we [...] assume the complete physical equivalence of a gravitational field
and a corresponding acceleration of the reference system." (Einstein 1907)
---End Quote---

What I am not quite clear on is your Point 2. Why do you claim that acceleration
*generates* a repelling force. Do you disagree with inertial mass? Can you
extroplate this part ?
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Are you not familiar with the example of Einstein's elevator thought problem? I ask, because you seem to be familiar with the principle of equivalence at the same time that you question it's results.... When you accelerate in your car and are thrown back in the seat, you are experiencing the results of a repelling force. Your body's negative inertia is resisting acceleration against it. I don't understand your quandary at these facts...
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Regarding the neutron star proximity you speak of, since we aren't near any neutron stars it isn't presently tenable to speculate on how that would effect Point 2.

Best regards,
- RP

[Einstein]

RP

Gravity on or near a major coordinate system is the omnidirectionally accelerating expansion of the coordinate system itself; constituting the 4-D space time continuum of matter-energy. This generates a repelling force, causing objects to be pinned to the earth's surface, and the apparent 'descent' of objects in free fall...

Action-at-a-distance (tidal effect as applied - for example - to aquatic, atmospheric and terrestrial tides) is caused by the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism (electromagnetism: effecting an impelling force), originating from and generated by, given ('material') 4-D coordinate systems.

Your description appears to be completely opposite from what a logical visualization would show. Just remember apples aren't oranges. Just because you have one of each doesn't make them equal. So I am very curious as to how you could equate an expanding accelerating coordinate system to one that can logically be shown to be a contracting accelerating coordinate system.

[MJA]

Gravity, as well as any other energy field, known or unknown, can be unified by simply removing the flaw of measure. It is only the imperfection of measure, created by imperfect science, that divides, creating the differences we work so hard to unite. Once you let go of the uncertainty of measure, you will find the unity and freedom you seek. Measure divides; equality unites.
And the proof, mathematically or scientifically speaking, is in the simplification or foundation of every equation.
= is nature's scientific proof, truth, or TOE!

RP: beyond Relativity, beyond QM, is Equality.

Have an = day,
MJA

[RascalPuff]

RP



Your description appears to be completely opposite from what a logical visualization would show. Just remember apples aren't oranges. Just because you have one of each doesn't make them equal. So I am very curious as to how you could equate an expanding accelerating coordinate system to one that can logically be shown to be a contracting accelerating coordinate system.

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Dear Einstein:
It seems you have departed from the specific issue at hand and gone on to mass-field doppler effect.
Are you applying excerpts from the posted work - http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie - here?

If you are alluding to a relative rest mass, that is the apple you've introduced. If you are alluding to a coordinate system in motion relative to a point of measurement, that is the orange you've introduced.

A test object on or near an expanding-accelerating coordinate system is subject to repelling forces of the 4-D space time continuum.
At greater distances, test objects are subject to the impelling force of electromagnetism.

This duality is expressed in the fact of microcosmic tidal effect occurring between subatomic particles - "No two particles ever come into contact. When they get too close, they move off". - Betrand Russell, the ABC of Relativity. That is to say, both repelling and impelling forces are engaged here. Comparable to the cosmological constant which accompanies the Classical Newtonian impelling force, but moves in the opposite direction.

Will you elaborate further on your contention, here?

Best regards,
- RP

[Graybeard]

Are you not familiar with the example of Einstein's elevator thought problem? I ask, because you seem to be familiar with the principle of equivalence at the same time that you question it's results.... When you accelerate in your car and are thrown back in the seat, you are experiencing the results of a repelling force. Your body's negative inertia is resisting acceleration against it. I don't understand your quandary at these facts...
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Regarding the neutron star proximity you speak of, since we aren't near any neutron stars it isn't presently tenable to speculate on how that would effect Point 2.

I believe I am familar with the equivalence principle. I am not questioning its results, just the interpretation of them. Inertial mass provides a resistive and opposite force to acceleration. You imply that inertial mass is 'generated' by acceleration and is not a measurement of matter.

1.. Do you believe inertial mass to be a function of matter?
2.. Do you accept that resistance to acceleration could be 'wading' thru the Higgs field?

Action-at-a-distance (tidal effect as applied - for example - to aquatic, atmospheric and terrestrial tides) is caused by the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism (electromagnetism: effecting an impelling force), originating from and generated by, given ('material') 4-D coordinate systems.

Your 'action-at-a-distance' effect you imply is caused by 'the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism'. My reference to a Neutron Star which displays a gravitational field, would seem to contradict your statement. We may not be near a Neutron Star physically but since when has that stopped us from theorising or experimenting with the data?

A Neutron Star, presumably, has no charge yet still can create action at a distance.

3.. Can we be clear on one thing. Do you accept any part of Quantum Mechanical behaviour, or do you intend to maintain the continuity of matter as governed entirely by Newton-Einstein maths?

This link will take you on a journey to a Neutron Star. May the classical force field be with you. May you return safely in order to answer my three questions.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/rjn_bht.html



cool bananas ... greg

[RascalPuff]

I believe I am familar with the equivalence principle. I am not questioning its results, just the interpretation of them. Inertial mass provides a resistive and opposite force to acceleration. You imply that inertial mass is 'generated' by acceleration and is not a measurement of matter.

1.. Do you believe inertial mass to be a function of matter?
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It is my understanding that inertial (inert) mass and gravitational (heavy) mass are unexpectedly found to be identical - hence the 'equivalence principal'. It is my station that inertial mass value is inherent to all material entities, resisting forces to move it when it's at rest, and resisting forces to slow it down when it's in motion... (negative & positive inertia)

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2.. Do you accept that resistance to acceleration could be 'wading' thru the Higgs field?
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Higgs field, named after the BritishphysicistPeter Higgs, is a postulated quantum field, mediated by the Higgs boson, which is believed to permeate the entire universe. Its presence is said to be required in order to explain the large difference in mass between those particles which mediate weak interactions (the W and Zbosons) and that which mediates electromagnetic interactions (the photon).

With the next generation of particle accelerators, especially the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, which as of 2007 is still under construction, CERN scientists will try to look for particle interactions characteristic of the Higgs Field.
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Yes. I suppose that the hypothetical Higgs Field could be the cause of inertia (resistance); so (conversely) could, for that matter, Mach's Principle. There doesn't seem to be enough information - yet - in these considerations and for this reason Truly Yours is without a resolute perspective at the submitted junctures.
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Your 'action-at-a-distance' effect you imply is caused by 'the generation and long distance projection of electricity and magnetism'. My reference to a Neutron Star which displays a gravitational field, would seem to contradict your statement. We may not be near a Neutron Star physically but since when has that stopped us from theorising or experimenting with the data?
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Your allowance for 'theorizing and experiment' may be somewhat liberal, Greg. Though I will accept your intentions to venture forth with discussion in these issues. Do you happen to know if there are any neutron stars with planets orbiting them?
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A Neutron Star, presumably, has no charge yet still can create action at a distance.
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IMO, Greg, the operative word here is 'presumably'.
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3.. Can we be clear on one thing. Do you accept any part of Quantum Mechanical behaviour, or do you intend to maintain the continuity of matter as governed entirely by Newton-Einstein maths?
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Chapter (part) Seven, at http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie specifically addresses this question and contingent isssues. Please let me know what you think of it. In a word, no I do not intend to maintain the continuity of matter as governed entirely by Newton-Einstein maths.
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This link will take you on a journey to a Neutron Star. May the classical force field be with you. May you return safely in order to answer my three questions.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/rjn_bht.html


cool bananas ... greg

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"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one". - Einstein

Best regards,
- RP
(PostScript) Hope you've got time for the stated portion of the provided URL. Looking forward to your response. In a word, I do not maintain the continuity of matter as governed entirely by Newton-Einstein maths - I find quanta a result of continuous field.