[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Quit true RP but for those who believe consciousness is the key, it would seem that they have locked themselves out.

Out of the delusion you exist in,most certainly! You have yet to find the door my friend
for you the key would be useless.

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Back to the thread:

Originally Posted by David

Throughout the history of science the major breakthroughs have come with the better understanding of one of the main properties of matter; that is the property of motion. From falling bodies of Galileo, gravity and forces of Newton’s laws of motion, the space-time continuum of Einstein, to today’s understanding quantum physics and the vibrations of atoms and their particle structures as wave symmetry. The key is in the understanding of motion and the interactions of fundamental matter that sustains that motion; thus preserving the conservation laws that physics is based on.

Let me throw a few fundamental ideas in, and see what response we get...

The four fundamental space geometries of FS's absolute motion:

***1.The fundamental field geometry of the universe.
***2.The fundamental cosmological geometry of the universe.
***3.The fundamental quantum geometry of the universe.
***4.The fundamental particle geometry of the universe.

What is the entire description of these individual aspects of absolute motion, of both the deep space field, before; and the space field after the major universal event, of big-bang/small-bangs/black hole/first star/inflation, or whatever one chooses to call it? Is the field geometry the same, or different, before and after the event? How many different directions and shapes do the waves move and take, to form the event? Is there a true description of the cosmology, befor the event___Dark matter/energy, whatever? What are the differences of the quantum geomentry, before and after the event___In/out/random/linear/chiral/uniform waves, etc.? When does the first true particle form, before, during or after the event?

That should be enough for a starter...

Regards,
Lloyd

[Tina]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

No Micheal. Consciousness cannot be motion. Because consciousness is very peculiar to human beings. Animals do not possess consciousness. Can we see that animal do not experience motion? Of course they do...

Sorry to interrupt transmission of thread - but dipayanker needs ellucidating!

Prehaps - lack of self-consciousness is a better description of animals.

I'll shh now unless its on topic.

[David Maes]

Am I so hard to take?

[dipayankar]

Everybody seems to have missed my point. Lets describe consciousness. I am refering to the 'I or me' factor. Animals certainly so not possess that except probably chimps. But that does not hamper them from motion. So what has consciousness got to do with motion????

Originally Posted by Tina

Sorry to interrupt transmission of thread - but dipayanker needs ellucidating!

Prehaps - lack of self-consciousness is a better description of animals.

I'll shh now unless its on topic.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Everybody seems to have missed my point. Lets describe consciousness. I am refering to the 'I or me' factor. Animals certainly so not possess that except probably chimps. But that does not hamper them from motion. So what has consciousness got to do with motion????

Sorry - it is all getting off track and too many differant interpretations of word meanings. To me consciousness is something differant from your meaning - we do have to be patient with eachother.

[dipayankar]

Certainly. Lets keep off this topic of consciousnes for a while. Lets focus on the relevance of motion on our Universe and everything in it... I was just thinking, if motion at a sub atomic level stops, would quarks and other particles vanish??? Or if we believe in vibrating strings, then what happens to those strings???

Originally Posted by Tina

Sorry - it is all getting off track and too many differant interpretations of word meanings. To me consciousness is something differant from your meaning - we do have to be patient with eachother.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

.... I was just thinking, if motion at a sub atomic level stops, would quarks and other particles vanish??? Or if we believe in vibrating strings, then what happens to those strings???

I'm not well versed on string theory...
But if motion stopped at sub atomic level matter (including quarks etc) would still exist but not in a chaotic form (for this is still motion) I believe all matter would be at REST thus not impinging on anything else - all would be still frozen to the spot it ceased motion in.

[dipayankar]

What about thermal vibrations??? Wont they stop? If yes then wont all sub atomic particles cease to exist????

Originally Posted by Tina

I'm not well versed on string theory...
But if motion stopped at sub atomic level matter (including quarks etc) would still exist but not in a chaotic form (for this is still motion) I believe all matter would be at REST thus not impinging on anything else - all would be still frozen to the spot it ceased motion in.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

What about thermal vibrations??? Wont they stop? If yes then wont all sub atomic particles cease to exist????

I don't see a problem here! If motion ceased - EVERYTHING would simply be frozen in its position - nothing would interact to bring about causation of anything else - the dynamic of life/motion locked in suspended animation. The dynamic between NEGATIVE, POSITIVE AND NEUTRAL would cease yet sustain form because simply stopped in its tracks so to speak. I don't know - could be totally wrong...but its like pressing PAUSE button