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04-03-2005, 10:08 AM
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But don't you think that there must be a reason why that solid matter is atracted to the center of the Earth? Sorry, but if you don't give me a substitude for gravity, I can't agree.
According to my theory the planet is a totality of physical body together with its space, which is bind to it organically:
1. Physical body is consolidation or striving of solid matter to the center
2. The space is rarefaction from the center to all sides up to some distance (so it has direction).

I’ll try to make it clear with attraction:

The first I say that striving doesn’t mean attraction, than analyze:

Let’s take an ordinary magnet and two pieces of iron:
1. The pieces of iron don’t attract each-other, so let’s say they are indifferent from the point of view of attraction (I’ll need this term afterwards in explanations!).
2. The magnet and piece of iron aren’t indifferent to each other, i.e. the first attracts the second from all sides regardless of its location (mandatory is that iron must be placed in attractive field of magnet, i.e. at some close distance)

Go back to the Earth. From school physics we know that it attracts things raised from its surface. If we flip a little pebble up into the air it will fall to the surface of the Earth, so one can conclude that the pebble is attracted by surface of the Earth.
If we dig up a well and let a pebble fall in it, we’ll see that it will fall at the bottom, so somebody can conclude that objects are attracted not by the surface, but by the center of the Earth.
I think the center of the Earth is as indifferent to the pebble as two pieces of iron or two pebbles to each other (so is the surface of the Earth) and the center of the Earth isn’t the sort of magnet, which attracts all kind of matters.

----The center of the Earth is the place, or rather the point of striving of solid matter from all sides, i.e.

---- Concentration of matter happens to the center…

---- That means that the matter is striving to the center as if it is pressed by outer forces from all sides to it and that doesn’t mean that the center of the Earth attracts things (like magnet).

The term attraction we use is figurative.

And opposite process of expansion from the center can be considered a locomotive “outer force” of this process, because both processes: consolidation to the center and expansion from it are opposite consisting parts of the whole, parallel opposite processes so are causes of each other.

And I say that the planets aren’t attracted to each other, but the solid matter is striving to the center of planet, in adjacent space of which it’s located.


(See animations: attachment to post #14 or to post #1).

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04-04-2005, 01:54 PM
Zeroca,

I have now read most of your post.

I now have only one question, which answer I didn't find (or maybe understand that It was the answer) in this thread.

Where does the force you sort of "substitude" with gravity come from?

Is that force made up of particles?

one more questions...

Is your "nothingness" made up of particles?
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----The force “substitute” for gravity - striving of solid matter to the center, and opposite expansion from the center – space are opposite sides of the medal and they condition, cause each other.
----As I know any force has a point of apply, direction, magnitude but I don’t think any force is made up from particles. Do you think that pressure is made up from particles?
----Nothingness isn’t made up from particles itself, even it isn’t made up from anything, and it doesn’t exist:
I’ll compare it again with the ordinary, flat mirror:
-If you stay in front of mirror it reflects the exact appearance of you and your background.
-If the table stays in front of mirror it reflects the exact appearance of the table and the background.
-If you move the mirror into another room it will reflect exact background of this room. The happened changes doesn’t reflect on a mirror itself (The mirror doesn’t experience these changes), it remains indifferent to these changes, it only reflects existing before it with high accuracy.
And so does nothing towards the changes happening within it (towards arising of two equal opposite phenomenon):
I.e. any particle on any level is made up from nucleus that presents a concentration of “matter” to the center and opposite rarefaction from the same center to all sides – space, but all these processes on all levels of universe doesn’t reflect on nothing , which remains an indifferent basis for all these processes.

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bosons are force particles

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As I know any force has a point of apply, direction, magnitude but I don’t think any force is made up from particles. Do you think that pressure is made up from particles?
macroscopic theories: Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism, Einstein's special and general theory of relativity, thermodynamics, classical fluid mechanics, etc. all define force as a field.

microscopic theories: quantum mechanics, quantum field theories, high energy physics, elementary particles physics, etc. all consider force as a particle called the boson.

pressure can be defined macroscopically or microscopically. Respectively, force per unit area, energy(as photons) per unit volume.
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I’ll compare it again with the ordinary, flat mirror:
-If you stay in front of mirror it reflects the exact appearance of you and your background.
-If the table stays in front of mirror it reflects the exact appearance of the table and the background.
Actually, there is now exact and perfect streight and flat mirror that can exist.
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please, explain

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Are you offending me for my explanations? Or I couldn’t quite get you.
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the symmetry of the flat mirror is really time symmetry. We are moving forward in time, while all our mirror images are moving backward in time and that both the real and the imaginary met at the boundary of the mirror. Handshakes cannot be done, otherwise the results of pure energy.
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Dear Guille,
Are you offending me for my explanations? Or I couldn’t quite get you.
No. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.....and etzeteraincly (I think I inveted that word) infinit no.

I was just kidding. But I think what I said is true.
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04-05-2005, 05:05 PM
O.K. never mind
I also was kidding. Don't take things close to heart!

I cited this example only as a comparison how nothing can relate to processes of separation happening within it, because the most part of people doubt the possibility of any change, which can happen with nothing.
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I didn't notice you were also kdding.

I have one more question, (I think you might be board of them...(even I am))

What caused the separation of nothing?
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