What kind of Originator would put a tyrant in us? It seems like a devilish thing. Or was it necessary to evolution and still has some uses?
We were given free will and we 'learned' to misuse it for evil. Each of us must take reponsibility, who is there to blame or question for our insolence, obstinance and ignorance? none other...nobody. imho
I agree that we are it, Drift, the responsible party; and so that gives us some realness to work with and refine.
I wouldn't just arbitrarily cut the entire ego off, though.
(This post is not any bad news, if you read along further, for dialog always surrounds ideas either way, pro, con, or adaptive, as I'm posting.)
The human is not so clear cut and delineated in black and white so as to be able to eliminate an entire part, for all parts are hopelessly interrelated. A seemingly ‘bad’ aspect in one part can lead to overall ‘good’ in an end result when doing some necessary business of survival as an individual that then allows a peaceful environment in which to have higher consciousness of the all operating.
Tearing the sails of ego from the ship, and/or trashing the rudder of the self, and/or ditching the compass by severing the frontal lobe of individual planning might just leave one Drifting about…
Humans are used to operating at a macroscopic level that makes them often nearly oblivious to the underpinnings that make everything work.
Otherwise, we have to still ask why a One or a Lord would make such an apparent abomination to be so painstakingly undone against its own very intertwined nature.
I could also be that we are as we are just because that’s how evolution made us from some basic stuff, without the Creator or one with a shaky hand who couldn’t or wouldn’t do much more than make a test to see if free will agreed with His direction (will).
There is really no ‘MUST BE’ or ‘HAS TO BE’ some source or center that we can tune into to get away from all that is here.
Seems like we are free to be and choose our own path, much like you have personally done.
A TOE which is also a way of life—or something that is a way of life should give someone some peace.
So perhaps, the word could be spread as well by saying how you changed and refined yourself. For example, people might say “Wow, this guy seems to have some peace and so I’ll investigate his methods.”
I like your honesty in saying that you don’t like to be around people, but many will wonder if this is just ego you wish to get rid of or are people not very relevant since all is illusion.
Or like soothing other’s anxieties with “All is not real” or “The mind like to ruminate, doesn’t it?” but then you getting anxious about Bug Brother in all this reality that is not real.
You could mix and match classroom type instruction with some more stories, real or fiction, that show the way of the Higher Consciousness in action. Or note what changed in your outlook and relationships to life, like more/less compassion and whatever.
Like with Mel, she could say if “not caring” is part of the way or if it’s something the way hopes to get rid of from the way, you know, stuff that can brighten the light to the way so that they will want to look into it more.
Otherwise, people might think “Gee, this guy is unsettled or this lady seems uncaring and so would I become like that if I thought the way they suggested.”
Maybe it’s kind of like being the message carries the message and then people say, “Gee, what peace and composure and creativity and whatnot this approach brings; I’d like some of that.”
I agree that we are it, Drift, the responsible party; and so that gives us some realness to work with and refine.
I wouldn't just arbitrarily cut the entire ego off, though.
The Ego must beeliminated, crucified and resurrected as such, The Christ Consciousness.
Half-measures avail us nothing! We much accept the precept to grow along spiritual lines, READ "HIGHER CONSCIOUNESS AUSTIN".
(This post is not any bad news, if you read along further, for dialog always surrounds ideas either way, pro, con, or adaptive, as I'm posting.)
The human is not so clear cut and delineated in black and white so as to be able to eliminate an entire part, for all parts are hopelessly interrelated. A seemingly ‘bad’ aspect in one part can lead to overall ‘good’ in an end result when doing some necessary business of survival as an individual that then allows a peaceful environment in which to have higher consciousness of the all operating.
The end justify the means? How long have we been fed that one?
Tearing the sails of ego from the ship, and/or trashing the rudder of the self, and/or ditching the compass by severing the frontal lobe of individual planning might just leave one Drifting about…
words austin and nothing more. and more revealing than 'you' think. I see the charade you're perpetuating here austin...even if 'you' don't. 'You' attached to a vendetta or something? maybe 'you' are not who you think your 'self' to be?
Humans are used to operating at a macroscopic level that makes them often nearly oblivious to the underpinnings that make everything work.
Otherwise, we have to still ask why a One or a Lord would make such an apparent abomination to be so painstakingly undone against its own very intertwined nature.
This has all been explained in eloquence right here all you have to do is LOOK and you will find, IOW...quit searching.
"Knock and it shall be opened unto 'you'[Thee].' "In The Silence...In The Silence." Drop all pretences.
I could also be that we are as we are just because that’s how evolution made us from some basic stuff, without the Creator or one with a shaky hand who couldn’t or wouldn’t do much more than make a test to see if free will agreed with His direction (will).
There is really no ‘MUST BE’ or ‘HAS TO BE’ some source or center that we can tune into to get away from all that is here.
Seems like we are free to be and choose our own path, much like you have personally done.
A TOE which is also a way of life—or something that is a way of life should give someone some peace.
So perhaps, the word could be spread as well by saying how you changed and refined yourself. For example, people might say “Wow, this guy seems to have some peace and so I’ll investigate his methods.”
I like your honesty in saying that you don’t like to be around people, but many will wonder if this is just ego you wish to get rid of or are people not very relevant since all is illusion.
Or like soothing other’s anxieties with “All is not real” or “The mind like to ruminate, doesn’t it?” but then you getting anxious about Bug Brother in all this reality that is not real.
You could mix and match classroom type instruction with some more stories, real or fiction, that show the way of the Higher Consciousness in action. Or note what changed in your outlook and relationships to life, like more/less compassion and whatever.
Like with Mel, she could say if “not caring” is part of the way or if it’s something the way hopes to get rid of from the way, you know, stuff that can brighten the light to the way so that they will want to look into it more.
Otherwise, people might think “Gee, this guy is unsettled or this lady seems uncaring and so would I become like that if I thought the way they suggested.”
Maybe it’s kind of like being the message carries the message and then people say, “Gee, what peace and composure and creativity and whatnot this approach brings; I’d like some of that.”
Seeing clearly through awakened eyes is the message, you can have as much as 'you' can handle...It Is Absolutely free. or we can remain in darkness...aka Ignorance. Your 'will'(Ego) you can 'do' as 'you' so desire.
Upon True self-inquiry you may find that 'IT" in reality, does you! How does it feel to be on the receiving 'end'?
No vendetta in personal opinions, I'm sure you would agree, neither yours nor mine. Lots of them on ToeQuest. Just see some things differently, like the ship analogy. You wouldn't want opinions from other than AustinTorn from AustinTorn, would you? I like your opinions as your own. Doesn't mean disagreement is vendetta. ToeQuest is usually a safe place to disagree, for it is a place to make such observations each of our own.
No vendetta in personal opinions, I'm sure you would agree, neither yours nor mine. Lots of them on ToeQuest. Just see some things differently, like the ship analogy. You wouldn't want opinions from other than AustinTorn from AustinTorn, would you? I like your opinions as your own. Doesn't mean disagreement is vendetta. ToeQuest is usually a safe place to disagree, for it is a place to make such observations each of our own.
unlike 'you', expressing as the droplet or the spacesuit mentality. I have absolutely no attachment or pride attached to my given name.
I Am here as a visitor [on earth and now here on forum] and nothing else. I would be perfect content if there were no trace other that as elemental here,left of 'me', as I depart this realm for/into the next. I desire no legacy or trace eulogy of any kind...My ashes, they, the living dead, can toss into the ocean of my oneness. Nothing would make me happier. My name says everything any body needs ever know about 'me'. I may appear to some individuals a Fish out of water, but I assure 'you' I Am Not.
Here there are many Mansions A.
Built one stone at a time.
All Build by The Masters.
We were given free will and we 'learned' to misuse it for evil. Each of us must take reponsibility, who is there to blame or question for our insolence, obstinance and ignorance? none other...nobody. imho
Namaste`
D.
Drift...I don't believe we "learned" to misuse our free will for evil. I once in my life fought a personal battle with a temptation that would have bruised every value and princeple in my life. I used my own free will to crush that Drift and I think that alot of people have those kind of experiences in life but just hesitate to share them.
Drift...I don't believe we "learned" to misuse our free will for evil. I once in my life fought a personal battle with a temptation that would have bruised every value and princeple in my life. I used my own free will to crush that Drift and I think that alot of people have those kind of experiences in life but just hesitate to share them.
Mikal
I understand you very well Mikal.
Thank you for sharing dearest.
When 'we', 'I'm 'me' is in control, "His" will does get misused Mikal, you cannot argue with that can you? Just look at the current state of affairs, personal and National, and Global. When 'we' allow higher consciousness to prevail 'our' problems are diminished.
'The true value of human being can be found [measured] in the degree to which he/she has attained liberation from the computer-self.' ~Albert Einstein
Thanks Drift....I guess what I'm saying here is that the struggle entailed against temptation would be the road or the path to that higher consciousness wherein we can begin to dissolve problems in life on a much more refined level. Our personal, national and global state of affairs may be in its current state because not enough people are taking themselves to a struggle against those elements of life which are attracting.
( thank-you for being a shining lamp unto the world drifter .. i for one cannot get enough of your posts ...
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