[Mikal]

Drift...well with 4 please's how can I go away. I wasn't saying you harmed me dear...I was saying well were going to agree to disagree...smiles


Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal

Drift...well with 4 please's how can I go away. I wasn't saying you harmed me dear...I was saying well were going to agree to disagree...smiles


Mikal

Truly an honorable lady.

Namaste`Mikal, Mwah! please...don't you ever do that again...not without an alert...first..ok?...you heard! =-)
Drifter
ps G-nite all...

[Mikal]

Yes you old sweetie pal...chuckles


Mikal

[Drifter]

THE HEART OF THE YOGI

http://www.adityahrdayam.com/Maya-Non-Dualism.rtf

You cannot see the Seer of seeing.
You cannot hear the Hearer of hearing.
You canot think the Thinker of thinking.
You cannot understand the Understander of understanding.
He is your Self, which is in everything.

~Yajnavalkya, Brihad-Aranyaka Upanishad 3.4.2/1

"Yoga has a purpose unlike other fields of learning and practrice; We delve more deeply into our yoga...not just for the sake of knowing more about yoga, but really for the sake of knowing theonewho is doing the yoga - our own Self - all the more deeply and profoundly, and in a way unlike any other form of self-knowing. The subject matter of yoga is the Self (as it is called in the texts of yoga) not as an object to be described or explained, but as a pure, unmediated, lived experience."

The Self is not the ego but rather the 'higher Self,' the quiet voice and presence within the heart that speaks to and guides us when we look beyond our own narrow interests. In yoga the Self is not revealed or illuminated by the mind or any other intellectual process; nor is it enough simply to believe in it...The Self is known by its own shining forth, Self revealed in all that we do and are. This Self-revelation of the Divine comes in a moment of recognition that is a gift freely given. The moment when the scales fall away from our eyes and we recognise inwardly the presence of the God within our hearts is the moment of Grace in its purest sense.

Respectfully submitted,

Drifter

[Drifter]

"Gifts freely given".

http://www.hinduism.co.za/miracles.htm

Ciao

D.

[Mikal]

Drift...you need to listen to me and acknowledge the fact that I took my spiritual journey, I am awake and empathically present in life. I took that journey without spiritual advisers or thinkers...it was seemingly scripted into the natural course of my life. I possess my own mind and the freedom to think my own thoughts rather than the thoughts of others. I acknowledge your spirituality so would like you to acknowledge mine...my own experiential journey was my teacher...I need no outer teacher...I just study all principles basically because I am a scholar in life....


Peace Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal

Drift...you need to listen to me and acknowledge the fact that I took my spiritual journey, I am awake and empathically present in life. I took that journey without spiritual advisers or thinkers...it was seemingly scripted into the natural course of my life. I possess my own mind and the freedom to think my own thoughts rather than the thoughts of others. I acknowledge your spirituality so would like you to acknowledge mine...my own experiential journey was my teacher...I need no outer teacher...I just study all principles basically because I am a scholar in life....


Peace Mikal

Most honorable lady...You and I are not alone here...

There are many... unlike some fortunates...not being a founder who still seek. I acknowledge your experience Mikal...this isn't really about "us", a "you or a "me",...Have you ever heard of "The Bodhisattva's Vow", perhaps?

Non-duality should be of some sort of interest to you being the scholar in life...are you familiar with Plato's, "The Allegory of The Cave"? Those are basic principles too...

and

The Principle of Oneness, and The Doctrine of Non-substantiality. The Four Noble Truths and The Eightfold Path.

All Basic Principles.

I won't sword fight with you Mikal...your out-manned! So I can only appeal to your inner senses/nature...

Love ya sweetie...
namaste`
D.

ps. Not a gender 'thingy' by any 'stretch of the imagination'.

[Drifter]

Logic is a very elegant tool, and we've got a lot of mileage out of it for
two thousand years or so. The trouble is, you know, when you apply it to
crabs and porpoises, and butterflies and habit formation---you know, to all
those pretty things, logic won't quite do.
It won’t do, because, that whole fabric of things is not put together by
logic. You see, when you get circular trains of causation, as you always do
in the living world, the use of logic will make you walk into paradoxes.
Just take a thermostat, a quite simple sense organ, yes?
If it's on, it's off; if it's off, it's on. If yes, then no; if no, then
yes.
Kinda like they lie (logically).
Light on yet?
Yes-no-yes-no-yes-no. You see, the cybernetic equivalent of logic is
oscillation. Heraclitus knew that, and so did Loa Tzu, and so do the trees
over there, logic won't do for them.
So what do they use instead, Metaphor, yep Metaphor.
That's how the whole fabric of mental interconnections hold
together. Metaphor is right at the bottom, of Being alive. -Gregory
Bateson [Steps to an Ecology of Mind]
In an age characterized by fragmentation and overspecialization, Bateson
challenged the basic assumptions and methods of several sciences by looking
for patterns and for processes beneath structures. He declared that
relationship should be the basis of all definition and his main aim was to
discover the principles of organization in all the phenomena he observed,
"the pattern which connects, as he put it.
For me this ideation (showing again the oscillation of the universe/logos)
is the same as 'That', found/discovered, in the canon of Mahayana Buddhism
known as Indras Net.
Scientia es Potential

[Drifter]

Look in vain for "I"
It's one of the terms you employ most frequently. During the day, the word "I" crops up in nearly all your sentences. Since your most tender childhood you have ceased referring to yourself by your own first name. "I" has become the word by which you express your desires, disappointments, projects, hopes, acts of all kinds, physical sensations, illnesses, pleasures, plans, resentment, tenderness, your weakness for vanilla and your aversion to fennel. For a long, long time you have linked this tiny word to your multifarious mental states. It is intimately involved in your feelings and your memories. Apparently, nothing is possible without it. It is there in all your stories and all your judgements. Not a single decision, not the slightest rumination escapes it.
The curious thing is, everyone uses the same word. The most irreducible intimacy, the most singular existence, for each one of us, is linked to a word that we neither chose nor coined, and that everyone else employs in exactly the same way. A pronoun in the language. There's nothing less personal than this "personal" pronoun. The particular existence it refers to remains, linguistically speaking, completely interchangeable. It could be anyone who says "I'm happy" or "I'm sad." All of us, in all our difference, refer to ourselves by exactly the same word as everyone else. A most paradoxical situation. But you don't think about it, and nor does anyone else, of course. You have enough to do without worrying your head about questions of that order.
And yet, try to pin down this "I." Does it exist? How can you find it? What does it look like? If you apply yourself to asking these questions, and trying to resolve them, you'll find that this "I" is neither simple to localize nor to authenticate.
This is not a brief experiment, whose limits are easy to circumscribe. It can come to seem, on the contrary, like a long pursuit. You need time, different occasions, a certain application, and stubbornness. So where is this blindingly obvious "I?" You will seek for a long time, in different places and under different aspects. And there is a strong chance that, at the end of it all, you'll return somewhat at a loss. Which is where things start to get interesting.
Among the avenues of inquiry you might like to pursue, it's worth remembering the existence of the body. Is not this "I," which is both individual and yet assimilable to others, in fact identical with the body that houses it, with its habits, its weaknesses, its vulnerabilities and its particularities? But there's no trace of an "I" in your body. Not one of your cells lives longer than ten years. No part of your body has persisted unchanged. So what will you address as "I?" The form? The ensemble? The general organization? There remains, famously, the phenomenon of thought. All may change, but not your memories, not your sense of remaining unchanged despite corporeal alterations. But even here, you cannot put your finger on an "I." All you will ever discover are thoughts, sequences of thoughts, memories, associations of ideas, desires-all of them pressed into service by what you call your "I."
To all these sensations, to all these mental events, the "I" seems to provide a common denominator. But it neither supports nor drives them. It merely imparts to them something like a family resemblance, a shared aspect to what are very diverse notions and feelings-something like a color or an odor. A way of seeming, a style. Nothing more. "I" is not a someone or a something. And yet neither is it just a word. It must be a refrain of the self, a secondary quality, at one remove.
If you manage to carry the experiment thus far, you will need to know what to do about this sensation. What impact will this impossible discovery about your "I" have upon your existence? How will you cope once your "I" has gone missing? That my love...is another story.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal

Drift...I suppose it would be important for all of us to remember that a completely workable theory of consciousness is still not available. The theories are endless but there has been no definite conclusion as to how to explain the semantic bootstrap or the gap where 40 hertz occilations in the visual cortex and elsewhere seem to create a bonding not only responsible for conscious experience but also the instance of binding various information into a unified whole which includes the metaphysical. A new noted researcher David Chalmers has pretty well placed awareness into the psychological nature of consciousness and has hypothesized that the mystery of a complete theory of consciousness lies in the phenomenal nature of feeling and sensation. Due to my own experience I tend to agree with his study and the clarity of his arguments...


Peace Mikal

The difference between Consciousness and Awareness.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs

I know I have had an oversight of several posts...I will go back and redress specifics when things here calm down some...Moving..my least favorite chore of all time!

Be the peaceful breeze that calms the raging sea...come unto me...