Would the real force raise their hands?

[AntonioLao]

In physics, there are various operational definitions of fictitious forces, for example, centrifugal and Coriolis forces. Both can exist solely within rotational frames of reference. They vanish for all inertial frames of reference that are moving at constant velocities with respect to each other. This idea is the core premise of the special theory of relativity. However, in the general theory of relativity, Einstein did away altogether any operational definition of forces. In turn, he replaced them with the reality of spacetime curvatures. In his case, these are positive curvatures of Riemannian geometry implied with a spherical or elliptical symmetry and spacetime continuum is bounded but can be infinitely extended. The cause of the curvatures is simply the product of matter and energy. On the other hand, forces in the quantum world are replaced by the idea of exchanging interactive elementary particles classified as bosons. It is very clear that the best physical theories have gladly eliminated the physical idea of a force in order to formulate workable theories

Nonetheless, the best empirical theory remains as quantum electrodynamics (QED). A theory based on the idea of quantized fields. In this case, the physical field is a combined action of vector fields and scalar fields. But few realized that vector fields are really force fields as collective actions and reactions of equal magnitudes infinitesimal primary forces of which a pair of opposite (directed) primary forces made up a point for the scalar fields. Since the scalar field forces have all their hands tied to their opposites, only the non-paired single unmarried vector field forces can be able to raise their hands and proclaim themselves as the true real forces of a half bias universe. Since the Higgs boson is among the hand tied scalar field forces, and as much as it wanted to, it can never raise its hand in order to be detected in the LHC accelerator. Maybe with enough energy, the hands locking between Higgs and its opposite the anti-Higgs can be broken. It is impossible to break if the handshake occurred at Planck energy.

[PoPpAScience]

IMHO there is only one true force and that is, Centripetal. Centrifugal is a consequence of Centripetal. Vincent thinks the other way around, I think? But I can not get the proper discussion going on what, IMHO, is the most important subject to all creation, Centripetal Force.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Maybe there is only space and curved space (matter; it is greatly curved in time, time being the difference of space).

[AntonioLao]

there is only one true force and that is, Centripetal

I have to agree with you 100%. Moreover, for unit mass the absolute acceleration can be defined as ��²/�� equivalent to the mass independence as indicated in my signature.

[AntonioLao]

there is only space and curved space

That's what GR been telling us but the underlaying reality of curved spacetime is the equal magnitude infinitely many infinitesimal primary repelling forces. Their existence helps define a new concept of absolute acceleration given by ��²/�� where �� is the constant linear velocity of a spacetime point and �� is its closest distance to its neighboring spacetime point, and �� is also the radius of the infinitesimal local circular motion between two spacetime points.

[PoPpAScience]

Antonio, when considering Centripetal, when do you think when I say the words 'Center Seeking'?

[AntonioLao]

Good question but my bad answer would be whenever the force of attractive gravity is effective. But when both interacting particles are of equal unit mass then the force of action and reaction are equal such that two interacting particles won't be able to approach nearer and nearer toward each other and neither can they move more and more distant from each other. The result is they are locked in two infinite loops of perpetual circular motion around each other. The minimum energy configuration would be such that these two loops are perpendicular with each other. This type of motions can be observed to happen in binary stars systems, especially, when both masses of the stars are equal. The fact that there are more binary systems than unary system like our Solar System proves that it is the general rule rather than the exception. The creation of a positronium of an electron and a positron would indicate that binary systems is also a valid description of dynamic equilibrium in the microscopic world of elementary particles.

[PoPpAScience]

I like your response for other reasons then my question, thanks. My question was to vague.

Antonio, when considering Centripetal, when do you think when I say the words 'Center Seeking'? But it will have to do with a single vortex of FS.

[AntonioLao]

But it will have to do with a single vortex of FS.

If FS is analogous to Bose-Einstein condensate then no vortices can exist by Stoke's theorem of vector analysis. This is still a problem with the magnetic vector potential for the principle of gauge invariance. On the other hand, using only the divergence theorem or Gauss theorem, a vortex can exist only if the charge density is not zero. This is true only for electric charge, but not true for magnetic charge or gravitational charge. The gravitational charge is simply rename as the mass property while the magnetic charge is the theoretical magnetic monopole. They dont exist implying that magnetic charge can be in the shape of a string with northpole at one end and southpole at the other end.

[AntonioLao]

Here is a link demonstrating BEC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdzHnApHM9A