Nature!

[melanie]

Photos of a 4 Dimensional Object


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8DwJ...eature=related


4d cube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrSv...eature=related

The cube one is soooo kewl!

[melanie]

Proof that 1=0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNSl...eature=related

[labelwench]

Photos of a 4 Dimensional Object


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8DwJ...eature=related

A true Klein Bottle lives in 4-dimensions. But every tiny patch of the Klein Bottle is 2-dimensional. In this sense, a Klein Bottle is a 2-dimensional manifold which can only exist in 4-dimensions!

Alas, our universe has only 3 spatial dimensions, so even Acme's dedicated engineers can't make a true Klein Bottle.

4d cube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrSv...eature=related

The cube one is soooo kewl!

http://www.kleinbottle.com/whats_a_klein_bottle.htm

(Just to put another spin on the illusion, lol...)

Fun posts, Melanie. Thank you.

[SteveA]

Great post Steve, your enthusiasm for learning shines through your words, and is delightful to witness.
I'm glad you liked the video.

Reality is an illusion, but the experience is real.

Who is 'experiencing' ? who is the 'I' experiencing all this.....that is the never ending question.

We must conclude that all is Consciousness, or Imagination.

Something I've been considering is that there could be multiple observers sharing the same perspective, though with different desires and this creates a space of potential divergences that arise from that diversity (have you ever argued with yourself? It should be impossible. It also appears that subconscious influences do a lot of long term shaping of things). Though a similar diversity could arise from having agreement on desires, yet a separation in the perspective.

In one sense you have multiple superimposed objects at a point with different destinations/goals moving together (trying to fit together various needs, wants, goals etc. in life) and this can act like a point particle with a field of interaction, and in the other case you have a space with a focal point (similar to a gravitational force). These two views can be swapped and one becomes the the space for the other.

It appears that time allows communication and motion between these and there could exist two groups of the spectrum that have reciprocal representation in each.

For example, if an object is vibrating slowly, we can see this as motion and it's dynamic, but if it moves rapidly enough it's just a single perception of a blur, or if we were listening to or feeling the motion, at low frequencies we can detect the motions or vibrations, but at high frequencies it can appear as a single tone or sensation without motion - and it becomes a "stationary object" in the environment.

If we look around at the world, we're seeing light that technically arises from a very high frequency vibration - we don't see the frequency of the motion causing a color, but instead just see the color as (part of) an object in space.

Now consider if there was a flip side of this, if all was motion and a part of consciousness, then some other conscious perspective would see something like a specific color as a motion and similarly would see something that appear as motion from one perspective in time as a quality of experience in the other.

A motion encompassing a very long period of time in one space would become similar to a point object or singularity in the other, and the position in that space would describe the properties of that motion and visa versa.

It's interesting to consider that these spaces could be most closely related for qualities of experiences that are right of the edges of these transitions - for example, a low frequency tone or vibration that sounds somewhat like a tone, but is slow enough to still perceive it as a motion.

[SteveA]

Imagination can paint reality any colour it want's to,after all,

Yes, or at least to the extent of whatever colors it happens to have available on the pallete. Why a specific pallete? It seems like life is an accumulation of these.

[quote[the fundamental function of Consciousness is to conceptualize the non-conceptual.[/quote]

Here's something I've been considering with regard to time and I posted regarding it elsewhere:

If we have a linear progression in time similar to simply counting on a number line 1,2,3,... then in this single dimensional form, there are no dimensions/properties etc. of any space except the continual +1 as "Here and Now".

But if the points/numbers that this is passing through are qualities of experience (similar to ideas regarding a sea of consciousness - and we could say that each such point is simply a new quality of experience, such as hearing a sound or the sensation of a concept etc.), we can find that the +1 experience perfectly predicts everything, but gives no specific context in which anything occurs - time simply happens.

On the other hand, if we took all these numbers/conscious qualities and rewrote the growth in terms of mathematical formulas, such as counting like this:

2*2+1=5
2*3=6
2*3+1=7
2*4=8
2*4+1=9
...

Then this replaces the single forward motion with a continual zigzagging between two parallel pathways and we have something similar to two alternating "Heres and Nows" following in parallel.

We could interleave a very large number of operations in this way and find a very large number of ways of representing possible "conscious spaces" to describe the same sequence in time.

A fun thought to consider is whether or not there might be some particularly good manners of "counting" time ... lots of interesting possibilities there and quite a few "independent" observers, interleaved in time could be fit in with a bit of coordination.

Notice that by adding those higher dimensional contexts, a greater quantity of contextual information is available for all those - instead of a single linear motion in a space of nothing, there's still that same linear motion for every observer (which would actually be similar to an interleaving/splitting of a singular conscious "source"), but this occurs within a space of diversity - the "next" points encountered may still be fundamentally controllable, but the network of growth is not necessarily something uncontrollable and that more closely resembles the mind or intelligence - a network/space for interactions between otherwise independent and isolated "conscious entities". There might be some particularly great manners to coordinate things ... just a thought)

So, absolutely anything can exist, but only in the imagination, and the imagination is a physical phenomena.
What a paradox!!

I think the imagination ranges far enough away that local physical measurements don't pick it up ... until later when those imagined things become part of physical reality as well

Both Quantum Mechanics and Relativity have loopholes in them that basically says anything is possible. People tend to stick with specific conventional interpretations between it gives something more concrete to work with in the present, but in the end the objects being "controlled" are just statistical averages which in many ways were arbitrarily selected - there could exist other forms of life or perception that exist in the same space but using different statistical averages to calculate their physical properties and we could overlook their existence entirely by assuming the specific version we're using (which is self-determined/selected) is the only universal standard.

For example, grass is only green, because we have been conditioned to believe it is,
perhaps if someone had said grass is pink, imagine how different reality would appear to your senses then.

Yes, it appears that in order for a space to remain, properties must be accumulated within the context of past decisions/interpretations.

For example, if there was some alien language we tried to interpret (and it conveniently uses English letters , then if two people saw the "sentence" ABCABCBAC, there could be multiple interpretations about what words these contained and what they meant and how they were related.

Someone might assume each letter is a word and that this is composed of 9, very simple words/letters. Someone else might see the AB as a single word and interpret it potentially like this (AB)(C)(AB)(C)(B)(A)(C) and see 4 different types of words and only 7 in the sentence (they could perceive this space to have more dimensions less extension or slower growing with a greater diversity of perceived properties).

But normally this is cumulative over time and rules are layered, dependent upon past decisions, similar to the standard cosmological model where discrepancies tended to retain the previous inertia of interpretation and patches to compensate are added into a very layered and chaotic form.

You can't rewrite the rules without losing stuff along the way unless there's a way to do the whole thing at once - an alternate representation that contains everything (at least everything present in the new space) could be possible though it would appear to requiring "going back to square 1" in some aspects (was the first "word" an A or AB? )

So in affect, nothing is impossible.

Except maybe changing time, but who knows what direction time will head? My guess is that it simply goes where it wants to. It might be good to find some great spots for time to visit - a few nudges here and there

Your comments made sense as the general view in physics is that the universe arose from some sort of "randomness" ... but it's really difficult to look at the Sun coming up every day of my life and consider that to be a "random" event. Obviously what's meant is that the specific laws, physical interpretations etc. could have been different and not that events occur in a fundamentally random sense. So they're basically relying upon an assumption that there is a manner to logically coordinate a potentially infinite span of universes perceived in basically an unlimited number of ways and not only that, but a manner to select a perceived subset of all that.

If that's not the definition of an impressively creative intelligence, I personally couldn't think of what the term would be referring to. So when the universe is called "random" it means there's an assumption behind this of more, from which such a sample was selected or at least perceptually created.

And just because we can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there, like gravity, we can't see gravity, we can only feel it.

Yes, imagine if someone had a very short memory and couldn't perceive of the influence of gravity for long enough to learn how to not fall down. The sequence would likely resemble "Whoa, I fell down! What happened?!" *gets back up* "Strange, something pushed me down." *gets back on feet* etc.

The events that someone considers to be real are just those within their comprehension. Some people witness auras and there appear to be real mechanisms that could allow for this, but if someone could not understand how it's possible, then it seems unreal. They can't see how it can exist and hence it's an unreality for them.

Same goes for love, we can't see love, we can only feel it, same for everything else.

Yes, we each have our own unique view, which is also the entirety of reality (for now ... reality also contains a malleability ).

There must be much more going around us, that our limited ordinary 5 senses do not allow us to perceive....unless?

We are infinite potential

Yes, in a sense, it's already all there and there are no unknowns - we've (or one has) got the opportunity to explore all of it, which can be better than just following a line. (It can fundamentally just be a predetermined line, but that doesn't really mean except that one is whatever they are ... you can either decide that someone else must determine what this is and wait to find out or "freestyle" and make it what you want - and either case fits predetermination just fine! Oh look at poor me being subjected to all the harsh winds of reality!! Fun, fun, fun!)

Looks like we'll just have to weather this storm out ...

[SteveA]

Proof that 1=0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNSl...eature=related

=) =) =)

Yes! That's basically a mistake that a lot of mathematicians have been making for a long time and it basically destroys all the beautiful little details in Calculus. There are structures almost like fractal universes contained within something like a computation of the number PI, but it's not seen if all the little dots are blurred into a single "infinitesimal".

If the structure that was required to be created to construct something like the number PI is ignored, it's similar to compressing those higher dimensional forms down into a single line that loses much of the beauty and I think the better mathematicians had abilities to understand this. A number "means" more than just a point on a line and is a collection of related concepts and processes involved in its creation.

(It's interesting to think that similar to the way specific frequencies can create various physically perceived sensations, in a similar manner, numbers can have various unique mental concepts or nuances associated with them as well and it adds quite a fun world of mathematics to explore)

[melanie]

Thanks Steve. Will read your posts tomorrow, meanwhile i'll leave you fun sports(Lor & Ste ) with this kewl video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N03M...eature=channel

[melanie]

Something I've been considering is that there could be multiple observers sharing the same perspective.

My idea says: there is (Same Observer) sharing (Multiple) perspectives.
''You'' as the observer, are the Alfa and the Omega, you are the I AM presence in all that is.
The I stands for Alfa and AM stands for Omega.
I and AM is the totality of all that is without separation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=874SV...eature=related

Though with different desires and this creates a space of potential divergences that arise from that diversity (have you ever argued with yourself? It should be impossible. It also appears that subconscious influences do a lot of long term shaping of things). Though a similar diversity could arise from having agreement on desires, yet a separation in the perspective.

In one sense you have multiple superimposed objects at a point with different destinations/goals moving together (trying to fit together various needs, wants, goals etc. in life) and this can act like a point particle with a field of interaction, and in the other case you have a space with a focal point (similar to a gravitational force). These two views can be swapped and one becomes the the space for the other.

It appears that time allows communication and motion between these and there could exist two groups of the spectrum that have reciprocal representation in each.

Well said.

Or perhaps Nature returns back to us, like a boomerang, mirroring our feelings, our thoughts our imaginations…
and so this is The Way we do create Nature… as an interconnected open, feed back loop.

For example, if an object is vibrating slowly, we can see this as motion and it's dynamic, but if it moves rapidly enough it's just a single perception of a blur, or if we were listening to or feeling the motion, at low frequencies we can detect the motions or vibrations, but at high frequencies it can appear as a single tone or sensation without motion - and it becomes a "stationary object" in the environment.

If we look around at the world, we're seeing light that technically arises from a very high frequency vibration - we don't see the frequency of the motion causing a color, but instead just see the color as (part of) an object in space.

Now consider if there was a flip side of this, if all was motion and a part of consciousness, then some other conscious perspective would see something like a specific color as a motion and similarly would see something that appear as motion from one perspective in time as a quality of experience in the other.

A motion encompassing a very long period of time in one space would become similar to a point object or singularity in the other, and the position in that space would describe the properties of that motion and visa versa.

It's interesting to consider that these spaces could be most closely related for qualities of experiences that are right of the edges of these transitions - for example, a low frequency tone or vibration that sounds somewhat like a tone, but is slow enough to still perceive it as a motion.

It has to do with how vibration and frequency interact of which there are billions and billions.

[melanie]

What do you think of this video Steve, Lorrina, Anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkuL...eature=related

I tend to agree with absolutely everything David Icke says...personally!

[Lloyd Gillespie]

What do you think of this video Steve, Lorrina, Anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkuL...eature=related

I tend to agree with absolutely everything David Icke says...personally!

David Icke is pure un-adulterated racism, Melanie__The worst of New-Age racism...

A pure conspiracy lunatic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Key ideas
Further information: Law of Attraction and Panpsychism
Icke's core ideas are put forward in four books, each around 500 pages long: The Robots' Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret: The Book that Will Change the World (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001). Much of his work is published by his Bridge of Love Publications or David Icke Books. Philosophical discussion about the nature of consciousness is intermingled with unsourced allegations against named individuals, including that certain senior politicians are Satanic paedophiles, and that the Swine flu vaccinations are a deliberate attempt to cull the world's population.

He argues that human beings are the result of a breeding program conducted by a race of reptilians called Anunnaki from the Draco constellation, and that what we call reality is nothing but a "five-sense illusion," or holographic experience. The only reality is the realm of the Absolute. He believes in a collective consciousness that has intentionality, in reincarnation, in other possible worlds that exist alongside ours on other frequencies, and in acquired characteristics, arguing that our experiences change our DNA by downloading new information and overwriting the software. We are also able to attract experiences to ourselves, via good or bad thoughts.

Global Elite
Further information: New World Order (conspiracy theory) and Illuminati
Icke's basic argument is that humanity was created, and is controlled, by a network of secret societies run by a race of interbreeding bloodlines originating in the Middle and Near East in the ancient world. Icke calls them the "Babylonian Brotherhood." The Illuminati, Round Table, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the IMF, United Nations, the media, military, science, religion, and the Internet are all Brotherhood created and controlled.

The Brotherhood is mostly male. Their children are raised from an early age to understand the mission; those who don't are pushed aside. Key Brotherhood bloodlines are the British House of Windsor, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, European royalty and aristocracy, and the Eastern establishment families of the United States. The origin of the bloodlines is extra-terrestrial. At the apex of the Brotherhood stands the "Global Elite," the same group identified throughout history as the "Illuminati"; at the top of the Global Elite stand the "Prison Wardens." The goal of the Brotherhood—their "Great Work of Ages," or the "Brotherhood Agenda"—is world domination and a micro-chipped population.

Icke introduced the idea in The Robot's Rebellion that the Global Elite's plan for world domination was first laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Ronson puts it, widely drawn on by the far right and neo-Nazi groups. Mark Honigsbaum writes that Icke refers to it 25 times in the book, calling it the "Illuminati protocols," and it is the first of a number of examples of Icke moving dangerously close to antisemitism, according to Michael Barkun—see below for a discussion of the antisemitism controversy.

Reptilians and shape-shifting

In The Biggest Secret (1999), Icke introduced the idea of the "Reptoid Hypothesis." He identifies the Brotherhood as originating from reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. They are the same race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enûma Eliš. Tyson Lewis of Montclair State University and Richard Kahn of the University of North Dakota write that Icke has taken his "ancient astronaut" narrative from the Israeli-American writer, Zecharia Sitchin. Icke's idea of "inner-earth reptilians" is also not new, though Barkun writes that Icke has done more than most to expand it.

Sitchin writes that the reptilians came to Earth for its precious metals. Icke argues that the Anunnaki came specifically for "monoatomic gold," a mineral he says can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousand fold. After ingesting it, the Anunnaki are able to process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form. They use human fear, guilt, and aggression as energy in a similar way, part of the reason they organize human conflict. The more negative emotion we emit, the more the reptilians absorb:

Thus we have the encouragement of wars, human genocide, the mass slaughter of animals, sexual perversions which create highly charged negative energy, and black magic ritual and sacrifice which takes place on a scale that will stagger those who have not studied the subject.

The Anunnaki have crossbred with human beings, the breeding lines carefully chosen for political reasons. He believes they are the Watchers, the fallen angels, or "Grigori," who mated with human women in the Biblical apocrypha. Their first reptilian-human hybrid, possibly Adam, was created 200,000–300,000 years ago. There was a second breeding program around 30,000 years ago, and a third 7,000 years ago. It is the half-bloods of the third breeding program who today control the world, more Anunnaki than human. They have an extremely powerful, hypnotic stare, the origin of the phrase to "give someone the evil eye," and their hybrid DNA allows them to shapeshift when they consume human blood. In Children of the Matrix, he expanded his description of those in charge, adding that the Anunnaki also bred with another extraterrestrial race called the "Nordics," on account of their blond hair and blue eyes, to produce a race of human slave masters, the Aryans. The Aryans retain many reptilian traits, including cold-blooded attitudes, a desire for top-down control, and an obsession with ritual, lending them a tendency toward fascistic militarism, rationalism, and racism.

Lewis and Kahn write that the Nordic hypothesis means Icke is mirroring standard claims by the far right that the Aryan bloodline has ruled the Earth throughout history; for Icke, Sumerian Kings and Egyptian pharoahs have all been Aryan reptilian humanoids, as have 43 American presidents and the Queen Mother, who he writes was "seriously reptilian." All have taken part in Satanic rituals, paedophilia, kidnapping of children, drug parties and murder, needed to satisfy their reptilian blood lust, which allows them to retain their temporary human form.