[c. michael turner]

Point #1-The Universe Accelerating

Science Discovery of the Year: 1998

By 1995, most scientists had accepted the "Big Bang" theory based on theory and observation. The idea that the universe is getting bigger (expanding) was as certain as you are reading these words. And just as certain was the idea that after the initial Big Bang event, gravity would be slowing the rate of expansion. However, the world of scientific thought received a rude awakening.

After 10 years of intense research and observing distant supernova, two independent scientific teams (the Supernova Cosmology Project and the High Z Supernova Search Team Project) came to the same conclusion that the rate at which the universe is expanding is accelerating (getting bigger at a faster and ever faster rate). This idea was totally unexpected and is typically called the Accelerating Universe.

Point #2- Overall Mass is decreasing
Gravitational wave dectors


Currently there are 5 such instruments in operation around the world. The are working in cooperation, with least two detectors in continuous coincident operation since 1993. The experiments are ALLEGRO, AURIGA, EXPLORER, NAUTILUS, and NIOBI. Some of the groups associated with these instruments are planning new experiments to make detectors of much greater sensitivity. ALLEGRO

ALLEGRO is an experiment operated by the Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA. This experiment employs an aluminum bar cooled to 6°K. It operates at a frequency of 900 Hz, and has a strain sensitivity of 7×10-19 Hz-1/2. ALLEGRO has had two data runs, with the first covering June 1991 through January 1995, and the second covering 1996 to the present time. The experiment was operating when supernova 1993J occurred; no gravitational waves were detected.

AURIGA

The AURIGA detector is run by the Instituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare (INFN) in Legnaro, Italy. It is an aluminum bar cooled to 0.1°K. It operates at a frequency of 900 Hz, with a sensitivity of 3×10-19 over its first data run. AURIGA has been upgraded and between January 13th and May of 2004 it has been undergoing calibration and diagnostics. The sensitivity of the instrument has been improved.

EXPLORER

The EXPLORER detector is based at CERN and operated by the University of Rome. It is a 2270kg aluminum bar cooled to 2° K. It operates at the resonance frequencies of 906 and 923 Hz, and has a strain sensitivity of 7×10-19.

NAUTILUS

The NAUTILUS detector is run by the Instituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare (INFN) at the Laboratori Nazionali di Frascati Italy. It is a 2300kg aluminum bar cooled to 0.1°K. It operates at the resonance frequencies of 908 and 924 Hz. NAUTILUS has a sensitivity of 6×10-19.

NIOBE

The university of Western Australia operates the NIOBE detector at Perth, Australia. It is a niobium bar operating at a temperature of 5°K. It is sensitive at the frequency of 700 Hz and has a sensitivity of 5×10-19.

1 Ju, L., Blair, D.G., and Zhau, C. “Detection of Gravitational Waves.” Reports on Progress in Physics 63 (2000): 1317–1427.

Some evidence to role in- Later
Broadband Gravitational-Wave Pulses from Binary Neutron Stars in Eccentric Orbits

A. V. Gusev,1 V. B. Ignatiev,2 A. G. Kuranov,1 K. A. Postnov,1,3 and M. E. Prokhorov1 1Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Universitetskii pr. 13, Moscow, 119899 Russia
2Moscow State University, Vorob'evy gory, Moscow, 119899 Russia
3Max-Planck-Institut für Astrophysik, Karl Schwarzschild Strasse 1, 86740 Garching bei München, Germany



(Received October 25, 2001) The gravitational-wave radiation from binary stars in elliptical orbits peaks at times close to the periastron passage. For a stationary distribution of binary neutron stars in the Galaxy, there are several systems with large orbital eccentricities and periods in the range from several tens of minutes to several days from which gravitational-wave radiation at periastron will be observed as a broad pulse in the frequency range 1–100 mHz. The LISA space interferometer will be able to record pulsed signals from these systems at a signal-to-noise ratio S/N > 5 in the frequency range ~10–3–10–1 Hz. Algorithms for detecting such signals are discussed.©2002 MAIK "Nauka / Interperiodica".
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GRAVITATIONAL WAVES FROM BINARY

NEUTRON STARS

D. Gondek-Rosinska

(1), M. Bejger (1), E. Gourgoulhon(2), K. Taniguchi(2), T.

Bulik (1), L. Zdunik(1), P. Haensel(1)

(1) CAMK, PAN, Bartycka 18, 00-716 Warsaw, Poland

Coalescing neutron star binaries are expected to be among the

strongest sources of gravitational radiation to be seen by laser

interferometers. I will present the results of our studies of

relativistic quasiequilibrium sequences of close binary systems

composed of neutron stars described by realistic equations of state.

I will focus on characteristic features in the waveform that will help

to distinguish between different models of dense nuclear matter. The

calculation are done for different mass ratios of neutron stars taking

into account both the properties of the known double neutron star

binaries and recent results obtained by using the well tested

StarTrack binary population synthesis code (Bulik, Gondek-Rosinska,

Belczynski 2003).

There is much more indirect evidence to date but my point, without getting too specific is this-

The force of the Universe is constant The matter in the universe is changing form from a broad defination of mass (three D matter) to the gravitational wave. Space is enlarging as mass is shrinking or bound matter is decaying as unbound matter is generated.

Now here is a jump- If absolute time is defined as the observation of this process, or an action of this decay process then this process answers how time is changable do to motion due to gravitational wave preceptions relative to point of origin. you know the way sound is changable do to motion.

If you have a better explaination, lets here it?

[c. michael turner]

You lack one thing- Answers. What is your answer if the force of the universe is increasing? or if you want, the acceleration of the universe is increasing? You are very negative at discounting some one else concepts with out a true understanding how about countering it with your own?

Here is more indirect evidence
The first indirect evidence of gravitational waves came from a binary pulsar system (PSR1913+16), a pair of neutron stars spiraling towards each other. In 1974 the first signals from the binary pulsar system were discovered with the biggest radio telescope in the world (305 meters across) located at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico. Scientists observed the system for the next 20 years, and the radio signals showed that their orbital periods around each other were decreasing at exactly the rate predicted by General Relativity, assuming the two stars were losing energy in the form of gravitational waves. Joseph Taylor and Russell Hulse were awarded the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics for this observation and interpretation.
Now please say something worth merit towards actually understanding some of the problems i have answered, right or wrong.
You have characterized me incorrectly to fit your own needs. I am very open to any logic at all.
Force constant is the conclusion that seems to fit two observations.
Again---
Experimental evidence

Indirect effects have been observed. Observations of orbiting binary pulsars give strong evidence for the existence of gravitational radiation: These very massive neutron stars rotate around each other at a very close orbit and emit radio signals which are extremely regular pulses of a few seconds repetition period. Comparison of this repetition period with atomic clocks show that they are nearly as accurate as the latter in keeping their pace, but do get slower with time. This loss of speed is so minute that only comparison with atomic clocks can reveal it, but its amount is precisely consistent with the loss of kinetic energy which should be emitted as gravitational waves according to general relativity calculations.

Physicists Russell Hulse and Joseph Taylor were awarded the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics for this observation and interpretation.

[c. michael turner]

So let's see now. We have an expanding increasingly accelerating universe and we have loss of kenetic energy through the gravitational wave. Go figure
total mass decreases as energy appears to be lost to the gravitational wave.
And force does what? Your right I think too simple, maybe I should consider 11-26 dimensions and dark energy and matter, yea that seems much more real. I'll go with your idea, what was it again?

[Guille]

What if gravity, being the curvature of space time, is the resultant of the contact between sub-atomic or fundamental particles of matter with the fundamental "material" of space-time, in a process we don't know of yet?

[dleviwing]

Guille;
This is basically correct. Now explain the fundamental processes that happens when they are in contact to produce the effect of gravity.
Clue: don't use mathematical terms, use intuitive absolutes.
Your beginning to think like a realist.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Guille;
This is basically correct. Now explain the fundamental processes that happens when they are in contact to produce the effect of gravity.
Clue: don't use mathematical terms, use intuitive absolutes.
Your beginning to think like a realist.

It's incredible how one can work and work and work, into having an idea and when finally posted, not only it isn't agreed mcuh, but ussually isn't very apreciated. Whiles some posts which one can do just to carry on a thread, writting an idea which is completely random, and ends up being agreed or even admired.

This happens.

Dave, as you may have noticed from what I have written, it isn't a developed theory or just even a thought process, so I'm going to wait, maybe, two days as maximum, to develop it and explain it,

Guille

[c. michael turner]

yes you can, that is my point. you and everyone else honestly may simply misunderstood a fundemental concept of matter decaying into the gravitational wave, graviton. for example a photon has mass unless it could be measures at rest. I believe the only way to measure it at rest is to take it to absolute zero. by takeing it to absoulte zero, no gravity wave is emitted and therefore although it exists it cant be measured as far as mass because mass is a direct measure of gravity wave emission. To me this is another piece of the puzzle that explains how time and space are actions of a process of matter decaying into the gravitational wave. I still don't see a logical alternative to the universe accelerating, how gravity works and time and space being relative to motion other than this, as forgien as it seems to you.

Originally Posted by quanta07

Please, stop pressing a bad concept. F=ma is elementary school physics
An equation used to describe the results of the influence of acceleration on mass......
You can not extend this simple equation in an attempt to define a 'force' in the universe.....
Then state this 'force' is constant, forcing mass to decrease.....

I am not countering anything, this is your 'concept', you have to show 'validity'
You concept is based purely in supposition.....and the logic is irrational....

These men were awarded the Nobel Prize for an 'assumption' that went along with Einstiens 'assumption'
No, its your theory, you prove it, logically....
Now you choose to think you have 'answered' something....
You have answered nothing, only attempts to restate what you claim as fact....

Maybe I have characterized you incorrectly.....
I am quite open to valid logical presentations, not 'negative' about other concepts, just BAD LOGIC and PURE SUPPOSITIONS....

Is Force = constant OR Mass=constant, I choose mass.....

Your sarcasm only diminishes your credability....
If you wish to choose character assasination, fine, it does not make anything you have stated previously, any more valid, only more suspect.

This forum used to be about 'gravity',

If you wish 'answers', then here are mine.....
http://www.toequest.com/library/article.php?id=015

This information has nothing to do with the beginning OR end.....
only the present conceptualization of our universe, and many misconceptions.....
gravity, light, quantization of mass, symmetry......and TIME itself...
In q7 journal, momentum, conservation of momentum, photoelectric effect....
All based on the mathematics of expansion.....

[dleviwing]

Gentlemen;
This thread was started by wisp over a year and a half ago. Do you have any comments on his ideas? (see post #70)
What he refers to as fractal patterns of the ether, I tend to look at as chaotic wave interference. Our concepts of matter however differ significantly.
Best regards;
Dave

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Gentlemen;
This thread was started by wisp over a year and a half ago. Do you have any comments on his ideas? (see post #70)
What he refers to as fractal patterns of the ether, I tend to look at as chaotic wave interference. Our concepts of matter however differ significantly.
Best regards;
Dave

I don't really understand the meaning of "fractal matter". Is it to do with fractal dimensions? (I think I'm learning too many things at the same time in different threads, thus, I get confused...). Can you explain it to me (I've been several times to wisp's page, but still he goes to advanced through the explenations).

Should the word matter be changed to mass?

I think that it is a good and logical idea. Having gravity as a "hole" in the aether that changes the density. Imagen space ase being the ether, and if you see, space must be streched in curvature (gravity). So it is logical that the density of the fundamental particles of space are less dense when curved. But it could also be that when the curvature happens the space is curved because more ether or fundamental particles of space are made, obligating them to curve because there is not enough "room" for all.

Hey, this could also be a good explenation (I think).

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Guille;
intuitive absolutes.

How can a theory be scientific or even called theory if it has no mathematics or mathematical terms?

What are "intuitive absolutes"?

Thinking on the process the 25 hours of the day.