[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie How would a non-mind know such esoteric logic? regards,

Maybe you should share more often Lloyd,it will help release the poison that
seems to fester within you,you seem to delight in putting down others,while
bolstering up your own vain inflated self.

I will ask my local prayer group to include you on their list.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by SinJin I guess I'm still wondering where the actual physical matter comes from that life seems to acumulate as it grows. With the seed example, where are the trillions of atoms coming from that make up the tree the seed grows into?

Sinjin, Within all matter at its core is Light & Sound that is conscious - similar to the soul or consciousness within us humans - this conscious Light & Sound within is not tapped by us because our consciousness is going into outer expression as our attention.

The loss of awareness of our infinitely conscious self caused by our attention going into outer expression results in an 8% level 0f human consciousness and consequently we are out of balance.

Thought is the method we use to restore our balance - so we are driven to think - but when we think we lose conscious awareness of our true Self and we become what we think.

Any one can with scientific methology ( i.e. concentration of the attention in the eye focus) test the truth that in holding our attention concentrated in the eye focus with our eyes closed we become aware of our Self as Pure Unadulterated Consciousness (independent of and coming before all thought).

And by this practice we start to realize that when we lose our concentration we think and when we think we lose awareness of that Pure Unadulterated Conscious Self and we become what we think.

In this process we create the matter that is not conscious i.e. thought but in creating this non- conscious matter of thought our consciousness becomes imprisoned or grounded in it and this is the "Law of Karma" because we by our thinking create it and we in turn are imprisoned in and controlled by our own creations.

Matter is energy that is not conscious - although there is conscious energy (Light & Sound) in matter at its core - by the outer expresion of our attention (our consciousness) we lose awareness of the conscious Light & Sound energy of the soul within us - and in this way we lose awareness of the conscious Light & Sound energy at the core of all matter outside us.

In identifying our consciousness i.e. our attention with the matter of the body and outer universe we know only the non-conscious aspect of matter but if we reconnnect to the conscious Light & Sound energy within us in the core of the matter in the Microcosm we then know and become one with the conscious Light & Sound energy in the core of the matter in the Macrocosm.

In this way the Macrocosm is in the Microcosm. While the microcosm is the seed or acorn the macrocosm is the mighty oak that comes from the seed. The truth of the macrocosm lies buried in the microcosm.

The trillions of atoms are souls or halograms as parts of the whole containing the whole in every part. And when we know and merge in the soul or atom as Pure Unadulterated Infinite Consciousness within us we then know and are One with the whole (At -One - Ment) with the Infinite Consciousness in its totality and there is no longer any outside to us.

The trilions of atoms as souls are drawn to us by our thinking and formed into different patterns by the information (in-formation) of our thoughts.

The process of thinking involves collecting the thought currents
(i.e. the conscious electrons of quantum physics) and placing them together piece by piece into definite patterns.

In this process we not only create time and space - we also create the illusion that consciousness is a product of the pure physical motions and interactions of thought as the matter we created.

We then (under the profound influence of this illusion) experience consciousness as discrete chunks or quanta coming from the quanta of thoughts i.e.matter as energy which consciousness itself created and is imprisoned in and controlled by.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick regards michael.

Mk, did you know that if you simply reverse the ontic fallacy of "mind created matter" to "matter created mind," you would solve all the world's problems and unite all mysticisms, mythologies, religions, metaphysics, and sciences___almost over-night? A true super-conscious enlightenment is finite consciousness awareness of the infinite classical space-time's energy and matter producing the finite quantum/relative space-time continuum, and all living organisms, annimate life, love and souls.

Happy Re-Thinking,

[Nobody]

Just a little Eastern thought, if I could throw it in here, Lloyd. Their view is that mind and matter are different manifestations of the same thing - sort of like your subconscious mind being required for your body to function as it does, the same applies to the universe. Both consisting of the same sub-quantum substance.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Nobody,

Are you saying that mind and matter are not the same thing ?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Mk, did you know that if you simply reverse the ontic fallacy of "mind created matter" to "matter created mind," you would solve all the world's problems and unite all mysticisms, mythologies, religions, metaphysics, and sciences___almost over-night? A true super-conscious enlightenment is finite consciousness awareness of the infinite classical space-time's energy and matter producing the finite quantum/relative space-time continuum, and all living organisms, annimate life, love and souls. Happy Re-Thinking,

Lloyd if I want your advice I will ask,I often go birdwathing at our local water-treatment
works (sewerage works)it seems to attract large numbers of birds,what is stirred up in
those "ontic" sludge pits,can sometimes (if the wind is blowing the wrong way)smell
pretty awful,but at least it can be put to some use Lloyd,unlike your advice that is
totally worthless,the only goodthing about it,is it does not smell quite so bad!


regards michael.

[dipayankar]

I think we need to really look into the question. How does a small seed or a small embryo grow so big? Its very natural. Lets look at how stars become big? They ingest gas, similarly living things always eat and drink nutrition which remain in the body and then the body grows... nothing to do with mind over matter...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I think we need to really look into the question. How does a small seed or a small embryo grow so big? Its very natural. Lets look at how stars become big? They ingest gas, similarly living things always eat and drink nutrition which remain in the body and then the body grows... nothing to do with mind over matter...

You may well have a point there,however what if the reverse were activated and
you had matter over mind?


regards michael.

[Nobody]

I think it can be compared to your hand that is generally thought to be moving in front of your face, which is essentially recreated through space instead of moving through space. The energy inside the seed converts to mass that is created through space according to its DNA. Also like a computer program that is capable of drawing a picture of a tree from a picture of a seed on the screen by the electricity and information fed to it.

[dipayankar]

Can you please elaborate????

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick You may well have a point there,however what if the reverse were activated and you had matter over mind? regards michael.