Darwin 20000

[AntonioLao]

By the year 20000 what would become of Darwin theory of evolution? Would it be changed into a theory of gradual destruction? That is to say, the evolved body gets weaker and weaker while the evolved mind gets smarter and smarter, eventually the mind does not need the body to exist as absolute consciousness.

[Graybeard]

... the evolved body gets weaker and weaker while the evolved mind gets smarter and smarter, eventually the mind does not need the body to exist as absolute consciousness.

The body and the mind may merely be the transport system/shell for the Gene. If the gene is the prime life object then it doesn't matter if the body/mind gets stronger or weaker or smarter or dumber .... These would just be the tools to transport the Gene to suit its own purposes. As long as they are a suitable fit for current conditions then they're doing they're job.

The mind may get smarter but it does not mean it is the prime-mover

cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

These would just be the tools to transport the Gene to suit its own purposes

Thanks. My question is where and when doe genetic mutation starts and stops to propagate almost uncountable numbers of species including the ones that become extinct. Infinty is a very long time, at the end of eternity might be the prime mover or as in a sieve of Diophantus, the largest prime number.

[Graybeard]

Thanks. My question is where and when doe genetic mutation starts and stops to propagate almost uncountable numbers of species including the ones that become extinct.

Infinty is a very long time, at the end of eternity might be the prime mover or as in a sieve of Diophantus, the largest prime number.

I am not sure I understand the question correctly Antonio ... but on the face of it in reply to the first paragraph..

Genetic mutation starts at propagation where mistakes are randomly introduced thru imperfect copying.

I am not sure why you introduce infinity or eternity ... But as these are not current reality I don't see how we can answer that question .... By the year 20,000 life will be either unrecognisable or non-existent ... I see no other choices.

Will have to look up your reference to the 'sieve of Diophantus'

cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

The sieve of Diophantus is simply the set of all natural numbers or counting numbers with 1 replaced by 0. This set is countably infinite. The result of imperfect copy become a new original copy for a new species. The imperfection is only for the duplication of the old species. But the random dynamic of species could not limit the creation of newer and more robust species hence Darwin 'survival of the fittest'

[Graybeard]

The sieve of Diophantus is simply the set of all natural numbers or counting numbers with 1 replaced by 0. This set is countably infinite. The result of imperfect copy become a new original copy for a new species. The imperfection is only for the duplication of the old species. But the random dynamic of species could not limit the creation of newer and more robust species hence Darwin 'survival of the fittest'

OK ..... thank you. But even tho the set is countably infinite, that does not mean that mutations are infinite.

If we stick to this Planet then the resources are limited and therfore not infinite ... it follows that the amount of mutations that can survive are also finite.


cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

Mutation might be due to random molecular democracy that is the freedom for the 4 DNA bases to form random pairs. But there is no freedom for A (adenosine) or G (guanine) to pair with T (thymine) or C (cytosine). These DNA processes are analogous to the asymptotic freedom and infrared slavery of the strong color forces of the quarks of elementary particles physics.

[Graybeard]

Antonio .... I need time to think about this. I'll be back.

greg

[Graybeard]

Mutation might be due to random molecular democracy that is the freedom for the 4 DNA bases to form random pairs.

Possibly ..... As QM is responsible for the fundamental uncertainity of the fabric of the Universe, and everything else is a conditional progression of increasing complexity .... then from humble beginnings great things come. But by Democracy perhaps you are implying a freedom of choice to each particulate unit ? If so, I don't know that I agree, I tend to think that any event whose outcome is uncertain is still bound within the conditional possibilities of previous events.

Simpler, anything that is possible will occur, but not the impossible. Two humans procreating may produce a hominid ... but never, say, a fish

But there is no freedom for A (adenosine) or G (guanine) to pair with T (thymine) or C (cytosine). These DNA processes are analogous to the asymptotic freedom and infrared slavery of the strong color forces of the quarks of elementary particles physics.

Aren't these the inherited conditional possibilities that bound what can occur from what cannot occur ? I am not quite sure how your analogy describes the question you posed in your first post

cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

The fact that an A always pairs with a T and a G always pairs with a C. An A or a T could never pair with a G or C. Yet billions of A-T and G-C pairs made up all life on Earth.