Inherent Viral Purpose

[Mikal]

I am wondering if all are aware of the spreading news that the Swine Flu is now upon us. Reports are saying it is showing in Mexico, San Diego, Texas, possibly New York and a report this morning for Canada that it is suspected in Nova Scotia....

I got a report last night from a fellow researcher to be wary that new of the serious flu and virus is occurring simultaneous with a vaccination push. I could understand that because last Wednesday here, it was declared International Malaria Day. CDC health workers moved into the lobbies of our News stations where they vaccinated the entire staff and then there was a big media push all day for listeners to drop into the station for their Malaria shot. I wondered why seeing there is no malaria here and it was puzzling because there was alot of talk about honoring the malaria victims in Africa. I wondered how can you consider an unnecessary needle as necessary for recognition of Malaria in Africa.

Beyond this I wonder if the virus which is in pigs could only mutate to humans if scientifically there was bio-genetic engineering or basically fooling around with mixing animal tissue with human tissue. This is going on, this tampering by mixing adjutants for the preservation of vaccines.

So if this is true and I say IF...is this the fault of science??? Is this the fault of a lax gov which put no overseer for scientific experimentation and behind the door scientific lab testing???


Mikal

[timeparticle]

Who the heck is mixing deadly viruses together?.... Blame it on the pigs, why don't you...



Hi, Mikal.

Swine influenza virus (referred to as SIV) refers to influenza cases that are caused by Orthomyxoviruses endemic to pig populations. SIV strains isolated to date have been classified either as Influenzavirus C or one of the various subtypes of the genus Influenzavirus A.
Swine flu infects people every year and is found typically in people who have been in contact with pigs, although there have been cases of person-to-person transmission. Symptoms include fever, disorientation, stiffness of the joints, vomiting, and loss of consciousness ending in death.[3] Swine influenza is known to be caused by influenza A subtypes H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2, and H2N3.

Following the discovery of the new strain in the United States, its presence was quickly confirmed in multiple nations across several continents. There have been over 1,600 suspected cases. Because it is not possible to confirm every one of such cases as being caused by an influenza virus, the World Health Organization (WHO) refers to them collectively as influenza-like illnesses (ILI).

The new strain is derived in part from human influenzavirus A (subtype H1N1), and in part from two strains of swine influenza as well as an avian influenza.

Dr. Anne Schuchat, interim Deputy Director for CDC Science and Public Health, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses — North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe - "an unusually mongrelised mix of genetic sequences." Pigs have been shown to act as a potential "mixing vessel" in which reassortment can occur between flu viruses of several species. This new strain appears to be a result of reassortment of human influenza and swine influenza viruses, presumably due to superinfection in an individual human. Influenza viruses readily undergo reassortment because their genome is packaged in 8 pieces (see Orthomyxoviridae).

In keeping with viral purpose, I will venture to say that the Swine Virus has a purpose of warning. This is a warning to stay away from eating pork, as it is not healthy...

Now, I eat ham and bacon (sometimes) and enjoy them both. But this warning may be locked into the rudimentary parts of the pig, itself, the DNA. It still may be unhealthy, even in these modern times, on a level we are unaware of.

The avian virus may also be part of a warning, but of birds.

But, I repeat, how the heck are viruses combining in the pigs body? Is someone, like you inferred, Mikal, genetically altering them for the sake of science or weaponry?

Ten years ago I read a novel about scientists combining the air transmitting Legionaries Virus with the deadly E-bola virus for weapons of terror. Is this fiction novel coming to life?

[Mikal]

Hi TP...thanks for such knowledeable information. Especially the bit about Orthomyxoviridae which is something I will have to check into further. You cannot be too wise in this crazy scientific world of experimental craziness...

I know this genetic altering is going on but its amazing how so many people know nothing about it.
What caught my attention in all the reports I received was the constant notation that two powerful anti-virals will not even touch the swine flu virus HOWEVER IT IS SENSITIVE TO TAMIFLU...every researcher in this area knows Tamiflu has gov connects to the company who produces the Tamiflu. So is this a pandemic scare for the purpose of financial gain and profit? Is it more of the idealists nonsence that a huge proportion of the masses must die for the idea of de-population and a more perfect utopian world?? Is it really a deadly virus attack??
I would say we are in a conundrum where we might have to again be very watchful or were going to slide down a slippery slope.....


Mikal

[timeparticle]

Ok, so viruses can mix in nature as the Antigenic Shift.


Antigenic shift is the process by which at least two different strains of a virus, (or different viruses), especially influenza, combine to form a new subtype having a mixture of the surface antigens of the two original strains. The term antigenic shift is more often applied specifically, (but is not limited) to the influenza literature, as it is the best known example (e.g. visna virus in sheep. Antigenetic shift is a specific case of reassortment or viral shift, that refers to a phenotypic change. In terms of virology, the marine ecosystem has been largely unstudied, but due to its extraordinary volume, high viral density (>50 million viruses per mL of ocean water) and high cell lysing rate (as high as 20% on average); marine viruses' antigenic shift and genetic recombination rates must be quite high. This is most striking when one considers that the coevolution of prokaryotes and viruses in the aquatic environment has been going on since before eukaryotes appeared on earth.

Antigenic shift is important as it is a pathway that other viruses may follow to enter a new niche, and so should not be overlooked in the emergence of new viral pathogens. It could occur with primate viruses and may be a factor to consider for the appearance of new viruses in the human species such as HIV.
Flu strains are named after their types of hemagglutinin and neuraminidase surface proteins, so they will be called, for example, H3N2 for type-3 hemagglutinin and type-2 neuraminidase. When two different strains of influenza infect the same cell simultaneously, their protein capsids and lipid envelopes are removed, exposing their RNA, which is then transcribed to mRNA. The host cell then forms new viruses that combine their antigens; for example, H3N2 and H5N1 can form H5N2 this way. Because the human immune system has difficulty recognizing the new influenza strain, it may be highly dangerous. Influenza viruses which have undergone antigenic shift have caused the Asian Flu pandemic of 1957, the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968, and the Swine Flu scare of 1976. Until recently, such combinations were believed to have caused the infamous Spanish Flu outbreak of 1918 which killed 40~100 million people worldwide; however more recent research suggests the 1918 pandemic was caused by the antigenic drift of a fully avian virus to a form that could infect humans efficiently.One increasingly worrying situation is the possible antigenic shift between avian influenza and human influenza. This antigenic shift could cause the formation of a highly virulent virus.

If, as the article states, viruses can mix in nature, than so can their inherent viral purpose. The combination of four viruses, from nature of lab gene splicing, would create a warning of magnitude. It could end up as a huge, non-specific warning sign of "Watch out!".

[Mikal]

Hi TP...at the end of my last post we had a sudden power outtage so I went poof...gone...lol...
Now thank you for the above info...tomorrow with a fresh mind I will have a look at this and see what I can garner from it....

Early shift so gotta get up a 4 in the A.M....better crash for now...smiles


Mikal

[Graybeard]

so I went poof...

I hope this was only temporary ... ???

cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

TP

Is this fiction novel coming to life?

Nature is organic .. SHE makes the choices that suit HER environment best.

We are the least of HER......we must not tamper and turn HER organic nature into a mechanical nature...
dire the consequences.
Resistance is futile......

The binding light of choice...

The paradox of liberation.... worlds set free.

''Choice'' ... don't give THAT to machines.

[Mikal]

Hi TP...today in my study I dug deep and finally hit a virologist willing to talk. My understanding is that the Swine Flu virus is a combination of a bird virus, a pig virus from Asia, a pig virus from Europe and a human virus.
Virologist questioned the combination like this: the bird would have to fly to Asia, infect the pig and the pig reinfect the bird and then the bird has to fly to Europe to infect the pig there who then infects a human.

The virologist said the virus seems man-made possibly through genetic engineering for biological warfare...etc...and something went wrong....

What are your thoughts on that???


Mikal

[leskey]

Hi, All.

First, here's a little background about this particular pharmaceutical company:

Baxter International Inc. (NYSE: BAX), is a global healthcare company with 48,000 employees and 2006 sales of US$10.4 billion. Its headquarters is in Deerfield, Illinois.
The company offers a diversified line of specialized medical products, generally categorized as BioScience (US$4.4 billion in blood collection products and pharmaceuticals derived from blood plasma), Medication Delivery (US$3.9 billion in products for intravenous therapy, and Renal (US$2.1 billion in products for peritoneal dialysis and hemodialysis). About 80% of its revenue comes from the U.S., Canada and Europe, with the rest primarily from Asia and Latin America.

The company has enjoyed strong growth through much of its history, and has been an innovator in many medically-related fields.

Quality issues

2008 Chinese heparin contamination
In 2008 the quality of blood thinning products produced by Baxter was brought into question when they were linked to 19 deaths in the US. Upon inspection one of the raw ingredients used by Baxter were found to be contaminated - between 5 and 20 percent - with a substance that was similar, but not identical, to the ingredient itself. Enough for them to be considered sub-potent and thus unsuitable for use. Baxter did not pick up on the contamination until after the FDA became involved.

Investigation into the contamination has focused on raw heparin produced by Changzhou Scientific Protein Laboratories, a China based branch of Scientific Protein Laboratories, based in Waunakee, Wisconsin. Due to procedural errors Changzhou SPL's facilities was never subject to an inspection by US FDA official, as required by FDA rules. The factory's products were also never certified as safe for use in pharmaceutical products by Chinese FDA officials as Changzhou SPL was itself registered as a chemical company and not a drugs manufacturer.

The following post contains an article about a vaccine contamination originating from Baxter in early March.

[leskey]

News Article : March 2009

The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

“At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.

“But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.” The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. “It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted. Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people. That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created. There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however. “We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred,” said Andraghetti.

“And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic.”

Baxter hasn’t shed much light — at least not publicly — on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of “just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure.” He said he couldn’t reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process.

Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden.

“We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were,” she said.

“And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. … This is very important.”

A little more information about bird flu:

Avian Flu

H5N1 is an Influenza A virus subtype. Experts believe it might mutate into a form that transmits easily from person to person. If such a mutation occurs, it might remain an H5N1 subtype or could shift subtypes as did H2N2 when it evolved into the Hong Kong Flu strain of H3N2.

Mutation
Influenza viruses have a relatively high mutation rate that is characteristic of RNA viruses. The segmentation of the influenza genome facilitates genetic recombination by segment reassortment in hosts who are infected with two different influenza viruses at the same time. H5N1 viruses can reassort genes with other strains that co-infect a host organism, such as a pig, bird, or human, and mutate into a form that can pass easily among humans. This is one of many possible paths to a pandemic.

Lets make this clear, the contaminated vaccine was meant for animals, yet had been combined with live human influenza virus. Baxter has accelerated the mutation process, taking the Avian Flu virus directly to human to human transfer in what should have been a PREVENTATIVE VACCINE!

The actions of Baxter are scandalous: plying the market with a "contaminated' influenza vaccine which then leads to a pandemic...for which the market is created to buy a subsequent antidote and/or preventative vaccine/medication.
And now, here we are:

News Article : ApriI 2009

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517640,00.html
CDC officials detected a virus with a unique combination of gene segments that have not been seen in people or pigs before. The bug contains human virus, avian virus from North America and pig viruses from North America, Europe and Asia.

Now, do you still wonder how that could happen?