Evolution Since Human Intervention

[Lloyd Gillespie]

However you see it ... but your post confirms my belief ..... Man proposes ... Evolution disposes

no offence ..

cool bananas ... greg

You're more of an idiot as a moderator than I became, at the end. Try some rational science for a change__It'll do ya good... No offence...

[labelwench]

Gentlemen, please.

The topic of the thread is evolution since human intervention.

We seem to be off topic?

Or perhaps this is the human intervention prior to devolution?

Regards to you both,

Lorrina

[labelwench]

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[labelwench]

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[Graybeard]

You're more of an idiot as a moderator than I became, at the end. Try some rational science for a change__It'll do ya good... No offence...

I am just saying, and I think you are misinterpreting, that Evolution has no fore-ordained course or plan. Whereas Intelligent Design sees a plan or a guiding principle or a goal .... evolution doesn't.

No more than that ....

If we are part of the system then we are not in control ? Only someone outside the system can be in Control, such as Allah or some I/Designer. I believe that no one is outside the system and therefore no control. Inside the system we have our local effect, which triggers a local response, which triggers a local effect .... and so on.

Why do you see this as idiotic ?

cool bananas ... greg

[PoPpAScience]

I am just saying, and I think you are misinterpreting, that Evolution has no fore-ordained course or plan. Whereas Intelligent Design sees a plan or a guiding principle or a goal .... evolution doesn't.

No more than that ....

If we are part of the system then we are not in control ? Only someone outside the system can be in Control, such as Allah or some I/Designer. I believe that no one is outside the system and therefore no control. Inside the system we have our local effect, which triggers a local response, which triggers a local effect .... and so on.

Why do you see this as idiotic ?

cool bananas ... greg

Evolution is the way the Universe fullfills its "Potential". It's "Potential" is to be all it can be, by becoming more then it was before. "Potential", is nether an Intelligent design or goal, it is just a "Fullfillment".

Intelligence is just a Factor of Potential being Fullfilled.
DNA is just a Factor of Potential being Fullfilled.
This is why Creation is Intelligent.

[labelwench]

Evolution is the way the Universe fullfills its "Potential". It's "Potential" is to be all it can be, by becoming more then it was before. "Potential", is nether an Intelligent design or goal, it is just a "Fullfillment".

Intelligence is just a Factor of Potential being Fullfilled.
DNA is just a Factor of Potential being Fullfilled.
This is why Creation is Intelligent.

Good choice of words.

Further:

potentialize - Make potential; convert (energy) into potential condition.

potentiate - Endow with power; make possible.

The possibilities are limitless.

It is in imposing the limit of an 'Origin' that becomes problematic. The human mind is resident inside a physical structure of biological limitation. Perhaps that is why some of the concepts, such as infinity, and the origin of the universe are difficult to contemplate or define.

We instinctively seek to encompass 'infinity' with parameters, despite logically understanding that, by our own definition, there are none.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I am just saying, and I think you are misinterpreting, that Evolution has no fore-ordained course or plan.

Greg, I'm completely with you on the scientific side of evolution, but your language use is too loose, which allows gigantic mis-interpretations, just as this last statement; 'Evolution has no fore-ordained course or plan'__Then why does it keep producing galaxies of similarity, over and over and over? Though there's no mind involved, the very mechanical processes of evolution do exhibit a course and plan__It's just obvious by looking at it... The science of the entire universe is just obviously logical and rationally consistent by evolutionary accident__but the accident keeps happening, over and over and over... The over-arching universal mechanics seems a plan of accident, to me... Doesn't make any sense, but it's the way it is...

Whereas Intelligent Design sees a plan or a guiding principle or a goal .... evolution doesn't.

I just don't think you can use that word, evolution, with any precision__without massive qualifiers, as it's far too nebulous a concept, with the subject material as Lorrina has premised this thread__What is our influence on evolution since the hunter-gatherer days...? This forces the subject to be discussed in two evolutionary states__the universe and mans... We've certainly evolved new cures for diseases, or we'd all be dead, with this much population__That's certainly pre-planning evolution. You can call it reaction, but it's also planning... Most anything said with the subject premised as Lorrina has premised it is bound to have dual meanings and interpretations, thus requiring clear linguistic qualifiers__or else you've just got argument...

No more than that ....

You can't narrow the premise of someone elses thread, and expect respect...

If we are part of the system then we are not in control ?

We still have our minor control within the uncontrollables__that doesn't mean we can walk through fire.

Only someone outside the system can be in Control, such as Allah or some I/Designer.

That statement would be false, as I am inside the over-arching system of evolution, but still have my individual control over self, and possibly someday over the evolved man made systems... You don't have to be a god to be in control of certain private evolutions... You're just painting with far too broad a brush...

I believe that no one is outside the system and therefore no control.

I don't know where you'd sell that radical an idea...? Self-control has been known about since the Code of Hammurabi... That's a simple law code of man's control over his otherwise highly irrational evolutionary nature...

Inside the system we have our local effect, which triggers a local response, which triggers a local effect .... and so on.

We also have our local control__Law codes over killer actions__Local cops and global militaries__Fully planned evolutions...

Why do you see this as idiotic ?

Because you have tried to narrow the premise of the thread to your own narrow perspective, which is counter to the premise of the thread__Mans influence on evolution...

cool bananas ... greg

I ain't purposely picking on ya, just trying to make rational sense to ya, ol' buddy... There's still some people who have a lil' bit o' rational sensibility in this crazy ol' world, ya know...

Hope that clarifies my position...

Btw, edit the garbage out when ya get around to it...

[labelwench]

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