Toxic influences

[leskey]

In response to a recent post here: http://www.toequest.com/forum/noumen...tml#post129169

You have my gatitude for raising this topic, lw. Not only are there dire consequences as a result of this latest toxic accident, but it inspires one to consider the coincidental(?) actions of many Western governments in deliberately administering doses of similar toxins in our water supply. Fluoride is a case in point...

[leskey]

Some background:

The Halogen family consists of the elements fluorine (F), chlorine (Cl), bromine (Br), iodine (I) and astatine (At)...Because of their reactive nature—a consequence of their “pursuit” of a stable outer electron shell—the Halogens are always found in nature chemically bonded...The members of the Halogen family are known for their tendency to form salts...Due to their enormous reactivity, the Halogen elements can form many types of compounds in addition to salts. One of the tenets of chemistry is that the properties of compounds are entirely independent of the properties of their constituent elements for example, water, H2O, is very different from hydrogen or oxygen).

Halogens are highly reactive, and as such can be harmful or lethal to biological organisms in sufficient quantities. This high reactivity is due to the atoms being highly electronegative due to their high effective nuclear charge. They can gain an electron by reacting with atoms of other elements. Fluorine is one of the most reactive elements in existence... It is a corrosive and highly toxic gas. The reactivity of fluorine is such that if used or stored in laboratory glassware, it can react with glass in the presence of small amounts of water to form silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4).

The high reactivity of fluorine means that once it does react with something, it bonds with it so strongly that the resulting molecule is very inert and non-reactive to anything else.

HexaFluorosilicic acid can also be produced by treating silicon tetrafluoride and hydrofluoric acid.

Hexafluorosilic acid is the feedstock for "virtually all organic and inorganic fluorine-bearing chemicals". The majority of the hexafluorosilicic acid is converted to aluminium fluoride and cryolite. These materials are central to the conversion of aluminium ore into aluminium metal.

In my home state, almost two years ago, the government decided to add fluoride to the water supply. This decision has been made on behalf of the state's constituents, despite the fact that Europe has rejected this practice due to the strong scientific evidence that fluoridation of the water supply is deleterious to the health of the majority of the population.

Hexafluorosilicic acid is also commonly used for water fluoridation in several countries including the United States, Great Britain, and Ireland. In the U.S., about 40,000 tons of fluorosilic acid is recovered from phosphoric acid plants, and then used primarily in water fluoridation, sometimes after being processed into sodium silicofluoride.

As this topic is relevant to the vast majority of water-consuming, ToE Quest contributors, you have to ask yourselves why our governments selectively choose to recognize the evidence that fluoride benefits the dental health of only children under 6 years of age while ignoring the many deleterious side-effects of fluoride absorption and ingestion, thereby knowingly placing the health and well-being of the majority of the population (all voters) at risk?

In future economic distress, the average (and therefore, the vast majority) of the population has been denied free access to uncontaminated water; leaving those who are unable to afford to either, purchase expensive reverse osmosis filtration systems or the equally expensive option of purchasing (hopefully) pure, packaged, spring water, vulnerable to contamination. Where I live, this has occurred simultaneously with the price of the, now toxic, town, water supply sky-rocketing.

My home state (Queensland, Australia) is home to a huge alumina plant, situated in Gladstone. Alumina production results in large quantities of highly corrosive, toxic, fluoride by-products, which are very difficult to store. Our government had garnered a deal to export this toxic waste to China, but the Chinese subsequently renegged. What to do? Well, you see, absoption and ingestion of fluoride have deleterious affects over time...mainly in those who have varied, pre-existing (and not always necessarily recognized) health conditions or weaknesses.

It is also noted that this substance can be absorbed through the pores of the skin, so even showering or bathing now comes with additonal risks.

Another known fact is that absorption and ingestion results in higher levels of toxicity in children and small, domestic animals due to their natural disposition to accumulate toxins at a greater ratio than larger animals.

[leskey]

In support of the toxic nature of this substance:

http://msds.orica.com/pdf/shess-en-c...0031020201.pdf

Product Name: SODIUM FLUOROSILICATE
Other name(s): Disodium hexafluorosilicate; Sodium silicon fluoride; Sodium silicofluoride.

Recommended Use: Water fluoridation, wood and leather preservative, etchant for opalescent glass

2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION

Material is hazardous according to criteria of ASCC; HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE.
Classified as Dangerous Goods by the criteria of the Australian Dangerous Goods Code (ADG Code) for Transport by

Road and Rail; DANGEROUS GOODS.

Risk Phrases: Toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.

Safety Phrases: Do not breathe dust. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. Wear suitable protective clothing, gloves and eye/face protection. In case of accident or if you feel unwell, seek medical advice immediately (show the label whenever possible).

Poisons chedule: S6 Poison.

6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES

Emergency procedures: Clear area of all unprotected personnel. If contamination of sewers or waterways has occurred advise local emergency services.

Toxicological Data:

The fluoride accumulates in bone and can lead to the development of osteosclerosis and other bone changes. Teeth may also be affected.

Symptoms of fluorosis may include weight loss, brittle bones, anaemia, weakness and stiffness of joints

http://www.medcyclopaedia.com/librar...sclerosis.aspx

Osteosclerosis
abnormal hardening or increased density of bone on radiographs, such as occurs with eburnation. Osteosclerosis may accompany a great variety of disorders, including hyperparathyroidism or renal osteodystrophy, osteoarthritis, sickle cell anaemia, Pagets disease, systemic mastocytosis, skeletal metastasis, myelofibrosis,oxalosis, leukaemias and osteomyelitis.

In renal osteodystrophy the axial skeleton is the dominant site of involvement; the pelvis, ribs and spine are affected most commonly. Osteosclerosis of the vertebral bodies produces changes at both superior and inferior aspects, leading to an appearance termed the rugger jersey spine. In some cases epiphyseal sclerosisresembling the findings of ischaemic necrosis is evident.

Hodgkins disease may be characterized by osteosclerosis alone, osteolysis alone, or both of these together. Diffuse sclerosis of a vertebral body leads to an appearance termed ivory vertebral body.

In Paget's disease osteosclerosis may occur in both the active and the inactive stage. The inactive stage may be characterized by the alterations in the cranium (cotton wool appearance, thickening of the cranial vault, basilar invagination), spine (ivory vertebra, picture frame vertebral body), pelvis (thickening of the pelvic ring, focal ordiffuse radiodense lesions), and long tubular bones (coarse trabeculae, widened and deformed bone). Table 1 provides a differential diagnosis of osteosclerosis.

Eburnation a pathologic process of subchondral bone in which degenerative changes in thearticular cartilage ultimately lead to increased density of closely applied bone surfaces. The weakened, hyperaemic subchondral bone is vulnerable to further deformity, and abnormal stresses on the bone lead to trabecular fracture, flattening and collapse. On radiographs sclerosis and joint space diminution are closely related.

Eburnation also occurs in numerous diseases and conditions, including osteosclerosis, osteitis condensans ilii or osteitis pubis, calcium pyrophosphate dihydrate crystal deposition disease and rheumatoid diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis and Reiters syndrome.

There will be more to add to this list, but I'm sure you're beginning to see how diverse the affects can be and why these conditions will not be directly attributed to the likely source: our now expensive, toxic, water supply.

[Graybeard]

It is also noted that this substance can be absorbed through the pores of the skin, so even showering or bathing now comes with additonal risks.

STOP washing yourself to death !!!!!. I would miss you ..... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

Polybutylene plumbing used to be quite common in the north as it is somewhat more tolerant of slight freezing and thawing than copper pipe.

However, this pipe has been found to degrade when in contact with chlorine and/or flouride, both commonly added to municipal water supplies.

http://www.paccrestinspections.com/Polybutylene.htm

Which does beg the question of why we should be drinking or bathing in these chemicals.

I am fortunate to have good well water and I forego public swimming pools to avoid the chemicals used so liberally.

[austintorn@aol.com]

A study showed that those who bathe and shower and clean themselves too often have less resistance to illness. I don't know where the study is, for I read it a long time ago.

[leskey]

STOP washing yourself to death !!!!!. I would miss you ..... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

This thread was started, partially in response to a growing number of friends and acquaintances who have recently been diagnosed with a range of different medical condtions (including your own?)...

I don't drink the toxic water...however, I am forced to bathe in it...maybe being a little dirty is beneficial to health?

[labelwench]

This thread was started, partially in response to a growing number of friends and acquaintances who have recently been diagnosed with a range of different medical condtions (including your own?)...

I don't drink the toxic water...however, I am forced to bathe in it...maybe being a little dirty is beneficial to health?

While cleanliness is a good thing, especially in the presence of broken skin or open wounds which can allow entry for the agents of infection, it is also possible to irritate the skin by means of too much exposure to soap, water and scrubbing. Excessively hot water is especially damaging to skin as it strips away your body's natural protective oils.

[Graybeard]

This thread was started, partially in response to a growing number of friends and acquaintances who have recently been diagnosed with a range of different medical condtions (including your own?)...

Mine was Salmonella poisioning .... flouride would have cured it if I had thought to drink water ...... but, being lazy i stuck to the beer ......

...maybe being a little dirty is beneficial to health?

quick Austin, check this one ... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

I still wouldn't touch that one.