[baudrunner]

There might be a place for the impractical in the cosmic scheme of things, but I think that whom you are likely to find living in that particular realm are the misdirected, those who picked the wrong options when they were first allowed the privilege of choice when they entered ninth grade. The compounding effect of the misguided anticipations of those same underutilised minds with their unrealized potential who went on after graduating to pursue their liberal arts, philosophy and humanities studies is that we are inundated with a plethora of hopeless wannabes, the David Koresh Jimmy Jones guru types who can write theses of biblical calibre but who have not the knowledge but yet have the skill to suggest interpretations of reality that have no scientific value whatsoever. It is for these reasons that channelling in the educational system is gaining more popular support by the semester, for it is finally being realized that a good mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste. We'll never discover the TOE from those who can't accept knowledge derived from empiricism and logic. There is no new science, dan.

[harmonygirl]

Baud,
I guess your TOE is not the Theory of Everything, but the Theory of Logic and Empiricism. While admirable, these are not the only processes by which we process information and should not be treated as the most desired in any event. I agree that various misguided individuals (Koresh, Jones, Bush Jr.) have persuaded people to validate their illusions, but that does not mean we disregard information obtained in a non-empirical way entirely. This really restricts the TOE to the self-serving empiricist community.

[baudrunner]

This really restricts the TOE to the self-serving empiricist community.

I don't think that the community to which you are referring are completely self-serving. After all, in the final analysis, they are invariably getting some government's money to conduct their research, and their research benefits humanity in a number of ways. This fact actually makes them civil servants. Over the whole, then, they serve you and I.

I am by nature a practical thinker, and one of a type that you are least likely to find channeled into a non arts & sciences course of study. If you find a contradiction of this betwixt my TOE parts one and six, that is understandable. All I can say is that in many ways truth is indeed stranger than fiction, but the principles that I describe are always tied to logic and/or to established scientific principles, and truth is never illogical. The pursuit of the Theory of Everything is in every sense a pursuit of the truth.

As to what my TOE is, it is an attempt to arrive at an explanation for the fundamental nature of reality. Hell, it is an Explanation of the Fundamental Nature of Reality. So it is actually the EFNR, or efner. Yes, that is what it is, no, wait, the EFNOR, yes, and it is the integral basis for further studies into defining the TOE. Ahah!

[harmonygirl]

Originally Posted by baudrunner

As to what my TOE is, it is an attempt to arrive at an explanation for the fundamental nature of reality. Hell, it is an Explanation of the Fundamental Nature of Reality. So it is actually the EFNR, or efner. Yes, that is what it is, no, wait, the EFNOR, yes, and it is the integral basis for further studies into defining the TOE. Ahah!

So, then by logical inference, the EFNR is only logical?

[mkirkpatrick]

I have experienced both sides of the voice in the ear syndrome,one being "positive" and
being given of by a medium.the other being "negative" and being given of by a patient in
a psychatric hospital,now what is the real difference?Well one answer would be that the
"negative" patient who gives of about the voices is most times,though not always,in my
experience,is accompanied by "fear" and agitation,while the voices given off by the
medium are usually,again not always,"positive",and the medium is relaxed and content.

There is another factor,which is about knowing things that you could not possibly know!
Now with the medium who often is both clairvoyant and clairaudiant they can and often do
give you a personal message that is very accurate and can leave you stunned,I know for
I have personally experienced this many times.I am well aware by the way of the many
frauds and charlatons that abound,but here I am talking about the real MCcoy.

Now with the mental health patient they talk about their voices,who usually,although not
always,talk to them in a unkind and nasty manner,sometimes the torment is so intense
that medication has to be given,via an injection.Now there are rare occasions where the
"water gets murky" so to speak,there was a young lad that I looked after many years ago
who could do some amazing things,he could look out onto a busy road,and tell you the order and colour of each vehicle before it came past the window?And he was 100% accurate every time!He also told me things about my family,that he could not have possibl
known,as I never ever discuss family at work.
He was an exception,but I am sure there are more.

regards michael.

[jungjedi]

what of the cociosness expanding substances of ayuaska,dmt,and mushrooms.i have taken these and had some profound experiences.some spiritual and clairavoyant that made me feel more connected to people in general and in some sense to the earth and the forces of nature.it my opinion that if you dont abuse these substances they can aid your mind in understanding the voices in your head,well my head for one

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by jungjedi

what of the cociosness expanding substances of ayuaska,dmt,and mushrooms.i have taken these and had some profound experiences.some spiritual and clairavoyant that made me feel more connected to people in general and in some sense to the earth and the forces of nature.it my opinion that if you dont abuse these substances they can aid your mind in understanding the voices in your head,well my head for one

I understand what you are saying my friend,and LSD was used in the 60s and 70s,where
many"went on trips" some seem to find God,some the Devil,some went mad,and were
detained in hopitals for the mentally ill.

As I have said to you before,I work with many who hear voices in their heads,many of
these have used all manner of "street drugs" to try and medicate themselves,mostly it
does not work however.

It is much,much,more natural and beneifical for you if these things happen naturally,
(clairvoyance,connectiveness,) through yoga and meditation,rather than through street
drugs.

Take care my friend,warm regards,michael.