[Marko]

This is a good place to start this thread, since it relates one of the most puzzling questions of all - question about the afterlife.

I said something on the pool "what happens after you die?" about it.


I think that death means loss of all knowledge, informations, our body and brain decays - and since I dont believe in body-mind dualism - there is no way for pure consciousness to exist, as it is impossible to go "in heaven or hell" or to reincarnate - since reincarnation presumes body-mind dualism.

What I want to investigate is - how would oscillations of the universe impact on the possibility of the "cycle of life".

Moreover, if we leave all to the chaos + probability, we can see that really crazy things are possible - only if the universe is oscillating.

Also, this raises the question about determinism and free will.

For example, even if we imagine that "cycle of life" is possible - what would these other lifes look like?

Identical like this here, identical in every action - or completely different?
Or something very similar but not identical?

I would appreciate every thought and idea about it!

regards!

Marko

[baudrunner]

There are many thoughts and ideas about it, as you must well know. Quite frankly, I'm certain that the majority are quite tired of talking about it. It must seem to them that anyone trying to justify the non-existence post-corporeal return-to-nature kind of useless end to life are the same mentality attempting to rationalize the uselessness of morality so why not just do what we want as long as we don't get caught kind of approach to life.

But that's just tantamount to the stupid admission that one already has done what one regrets, but why regret it unless there are doubts?

Here's the gist of the truth. Evolution would not be an ongoing thing as representative of the continued production of the manifestation of consciousness which in turn represents the ongoing process of expressing the Universal Unconscious if it weren't a continuous process, in turn representative of that creative spark that gave rise to it in the first place. In other words, you keep on going! Since the Universe is always creating and growing infinitely and expanding, this same thing is happening to you! It could only be expressed as the continuous production and reproduction of finite corporeality because evolution is an acellerating phenomenon, and if it were to be manifest as a single infinite conscious entity it would grow obsolete over time. That's all. You lucked out by being alive, so make the most of it.

As for the reward punishment thing, well, that has its roots in something. The fact is, this was realized long before I ever came around to explain it to you, and them that know it have the power to take it away from you because at one time they were just like you, doubtful and rife with the trepidation that what they had by being alive they might not be worthy of, so watch your step.

[mkirkpatrick]

Good qestion,Marko,
The cycle of life,the unfoldment of the living principle within.Life for me,Marko,and for a few million others is eternal,there is no death,only change
of expressions!(Bodies)It is about acceptance of what you know and feel in
the very core of your being,(soul)to be true,I accept that life is eternal,and I
have accepted this now for over 45 years,and see no reason to re-consider.
For me evolution is about unfolding that creative life force within,to reveal
more and more of its "radiant beauty" that burns within.!There is no doubt
for me that we are in a cycle,and that it will take many rides on that "bike"
to fufill the evolutionary program?


kind regards michael.

[Mohan.C]

I don't know about the other life Marko was reffering to but conciousness doesn't need a shape it expresses in its own beauty and so the great surprise that we all look alike brings us to the door of "the one" which needs to be opened.

[ANDY J]

Originally Posted by Marko This is a good place to start this thread, since it relates one of the most puzzling questions of all - question about the afterlife. I said something on the pool "what happens after you die?" about it. I think that death means loss of all knowledge, informations, our body and brain decays - and since I dont believe in body-mind dualism - there is no way for pure consciousness to exist, as it is impossible to go "in heaven or hell" or to reincarnate - since reincarnation presumes body-mind dualism. What I want to investigate is - how would oscillations of the universe impact on the possibility of the "cycle of life". Moreover, if we leave all to the chaos + probability, we can see that really crazy things are possible - only if the universe is oscillating. Also, this raises the question about determinism and free will. For example, even if we imagine that "cycle of life" is possible - what would these other lifes look like? Identical like this here, identical in every action - or completely different? Or something very similar but not identical? I would appreciate every thought and idea about it! regards! Marko

We eat we burn fuel we think, energy is never destroyed only altered in this case into thought,thought is never destroyed only altered.

[harmonygirl]

Andyj, I agree. Energy just transforms. I don't know where ideas or thoughts go and where they come from, but they are definitely energy and must go somewhere.

[Marko]

Well, by oscillations of the universe I had this idea –universe must die.

This is in accordance with the second law of termodynamics, which states that the total amount of the entropy for the system must increase.

And in the moment of the final death, probably Big Freeze – I think that universe will again pass into the phase of „virtual energetic potencial (V.E.P.)“ – which is, I think, also the state from which Big Bang originated.
So, this implies – V.E.P. – Big Bang.....Big Freeze(Crunch)..V.E.P.....Big Bang...Big Freeze(Crunch)..V.E.P....


And number of human genotypes and environmental can be deducted on some finite number –
since there is huge, but still finite number of reasonable buliding blocks (A-T, G-C) for a human being.
And also environmental influences like temperature, atmosphere composition, pressure, everything that can affect our development in the womb – can be represented by finite set of states.

At least I think so, if anybody has some counter -arguments -please tell - I dont want to live in lie!

Note that these are really big numbers, probably 10^100 or more , but they are finite and this is only thing that matters in the probability theory.

And if we apply here probability and chaos - we see that almoust impossible things become possible! This is lottery analogy - I said something about it in my previous posts.
infinity - oscillations of the universe.
finite- number of states in the universe, closed system of states and events.
Because of the first infinity- this finite combinations becomes infinite.

Again, if I have done some mistake in this starting conditions -please correct me!

It seems reasonable to me to talk about these questions, because I think that a real TOE should have a answer on this question.

I only think that this should be discussed – and either rejected, reformed or accepted in some way.

If only there are some reasonable methods to test this theory!!!!

regards!