[Infinite Consciousness]

CAUSE & EFFECT !

Originally Posted by Mike 5 Maybe truth is much simpler and more obvious to us all than philosophers and politicians and priests pretend. Opposite views are normal and natural in this world, so maybe oppositions and dualities are the key to understanding understanding. Recursively. If I hold up my hand and declare; the thumb is on the left, it is possible that everyone else will see the thumb is evidently on the right. So we learn to keep quiet or even delude ourselve as to what we do experience. Maybe Truth has to be beyond any single viewpoint or theory. Maybe every viewpoints is incomplete. Maybe all viewpoints are different. Maybe every viewpoint has an opposite and equally true viewpoint. Just as our two eyes each see a flat 2D image and the brain constructs depth from that to fit our experiences of touch and sound, in fact each eye is a contradiction in the details of the other, the sense of touch often contradicts the appearances, and so on. Intelligence is, it seems, the curving flowing reconciliation of paradox into theory. Bezier for Pope!

This post by Mike 5 {without his knowledge} is focused on the hidden cause of humanities imprisonment in matter. The effect of your left eye seeing down the left side of an object and your right eye seeing down the right side of the object is called "binocular vision."

The problem with binocular vision is that it creates a 3rd dimension of depth which is illusory. The 3rd dimension created by binocular vision is a false dimension preventing us from seeing the real fourth dimension which is known as the supra causal plane.

In order to escape the effects of this false 3rd dimension we must connect our awareness in the single eye within us in the eye-focus called the third eye or single eye -and when we connect our awareness with this third or single eye we experience the third dimension or the causal plane and realize that it is false - that it is illusion - and that it is what is keeping our awareness imprisoned in the physical - astral - and causal planes of conscious awareness.

It is called the causal plane for that very reason i.e. it is a result of binocular vision and is the cause of us not seeing the truth beyond the third dimension which is ourself as a free "separate entity" called "Spirit," which is Unchangeable Permanance.

Binocular vision is the "cause" imprisonment of our "awareness in the physical - astral - and causal planes - of consciousness is the "effect."

By reconnecting our "awareness" as the content of consciousness back with our soul or consciousness within us we are aware as Infinite Consciousnesss - we see and penetrate through the illusion of the physical-astral-and causal -planes of consciousness.

We are then a free "spirit" consciously aware of ourSelf as the "separate entity" or "spirit" which is Unchangeable Permanence.

MAN---KNOW---THYSELF !

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you William,and also thank Mike5 for the thread,true science,implies by its title
that there is a false science?I will not comment on this,is just an observation!
To me science is about understanding yourself,as you say William,man know thyself.

If and when we do that,we will begin to make the connections,and gradually see how
we are all but a part of a much larger Whole.

Prehaps a new science of self discovery can be realized,and everyone encouraged to
join!


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you William,and also thank Mike5 for the thread,true science,implies by its title that there is a false science?I will not comment on this,is just an observation! To me science is about understanding yourself,as you say William,man know thyself. If and when we do that,we will begin to make the connections,and gradually see how we are all but a part of a much larger Whole. Prehaps a new science of self discovery can be realized,and everyone encouraged to join! regards michael.

Thank You Michael, False science is the science of materialism that advocates materialism as the fundamental reality of the universe.

Materialism as a science has not and cannot be tested and by the fundamental principles of science which require a theory such as materialism be tested by scientific methodology to establish its true or false status - this test has not and cannot be done - therefore, materialism and any science based on materialism is pseudo or false science.

The pseudo science of materialism is science attempting to determine the true or false status of a profound illusion i.e. matter and quantum physics has established that there is in fact no solid matter only interference waves that the brain decodes as the material-physical universe that we see.

Consequently, true science is science that takes us up out of the illusion of matter and reunites us with the "separate entity" called "spirit" within us which is per se Unchangeable Permanance.

[dleviwing]

IC;
All I read is preaching; WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?????
I do not see any science in your post so, what are you calling "True Science"?????

[quanta07]

Hello Infinite Consciousness,

“focused on the hidden cause of humanities imprisonment in matter”

yes, our consciousness is ‘trapped’ within our brain matter,
we are an exquisite arrangement of amino acids which, through time, have become self aware

“The problem with binocular vision is that it creates a 3rd dimension of depth which is illusory.”

If your depth perception is an illusion, will you test it by stepping off a cliff?

"the real fourth dimension which is known as the supra causal plane. “

Are you proposing astral projection or telepathic mass communication?

“has established that there is in fact no solid matter only interference waves that the brain decodes as the material-physical universe that we see.”

Yes, many things are not as we perceive them to be.

“Consequently, true science is science that takes us up out of the illusion of matter and reunites us with the "separate entity" called "spirit" within us which is per se Unchangeable Permanence”

The quest for the knowledge of ‘within’ is not ‘true science’
with respect, it is our environment pondered, not ourselves that represents science.
Everything changes, even points of view. Mass is quantized acceleration, quite real.
The permanence of spirit is the illusion………Q7

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by dleviwing IC; All I read is preaching; WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION????? I do not see any science in your post so, what are you calling "True Science"?????

Well dleviwing, what is your understanding of science - please use the Kiss principle and tell me your interpretation of science - and then we will discuss whether or not what i am saying is real science. And how on earth woiuld you know if you have not tried it. Just another attempt to put down "spirit" with no content

If your understanding is based on materialism please don't waste your time and mine because materialism as established is not science. If all you know is materialism you cannot say that my post is not "True science" because you have not tested it with a scientific methodology to determine its true or false status.

Once again your words are empty of any true science !

[Infinite Consciousness]

[quote=quanta07;24527][size=2][color=black]Hello Infinite Consciousness,

yes, our consciousness is ‘trapped’ within our brain matter,we are an exquisite arrangement of amino acids which, through time, have become self aware.

If your depth perception is an illusion, will you test it by stepping off a cliff?

Are you proposing astral projection or telepathic mass communication?
Yes, many things are not as we perceive them to be.

The quest for the knowledge of ‘within’ is not ‘true science’with respect, it is our environment pondered, not ourselves that represents science. Everything changes, even points of view. Mass is quantized acceleration, quite real.The permanence of spirit is the illusion………Q7


Q7,

(A) We are an exquisite separate entity called "Spirit" which is Unchangeable Permanence !

(B) Yes i have stepped off the cliff of matter through meditation (i.e. concentration) in the eye-focus and fell into the void that i experienced as God. Are you afraid to step off that cliff ? ? ?

(C) I am proposing the projection of our awareness (i.e. our attention) up out of body - consciousness naturally by meditation (i.e. concentration) in the eye-focus in order to experience the reaity that lies beyond the matter of our material body and universe prior to death. You must die in order to experience immortality and reconnect with the immortal "spirit" that you are prior to your material-physical death.

(D) The quest for "Truth" within is the only "True Science" anything less is materialism or the "illusion."

(E) The Unchangeable Permanence of "Spirit" is the only Truth the permanance of matter is the illusion !

Unless and until you and dleviwing and all other materialists test this truth with the scientific methodology of meditation to determine its true or false status your words are empty of science they are as hollow as the materialism you perceive as your God ! ! !

[quanta07]

Inf Con........

B) Yes i have stepped off the cliff of matter through meditation (i.e. concentration) in the eye-focus and fell into the void that i experienced as God. Are you afraid to step off that cliff ? ? ?

You experienced God!…good for you…just maybe you should experience education, for it seems you have little.
You profess a religious superstition as a ‘true’ science, YOUR religious superstitions are not science.
If you want these points tested by a scientific method, you do it. Maybe you can call ‘ghost busters’.
From the dawn of mankind, there have been many who played on the fears and superstition of the ignorant masses.
‘Religion is the opiate of the masses’
You wish to delve internally, stating you have found the ‘true’ science, the ‘spirit’.
I say you have been duped, fooled and befuddled, and you wish to not be alone.
Enjoy this life you have….live it….self analysis is fine,,, but this is pathetic,

You must die in order to experience immortality and reconnect with the immortal "spirit" that you are prior to your material-physical death.

Why don’t you test this. You really need to consider professional help, before you hurt somebody or yourself.
Religious extremism is not a science, it is a disease of the brain, born from despair/hopelessness/confusion.

The statements you make demonstrate ignorance and an anal retentive stubbornness to recognize the difference between fact and fiction.
There is a big world of nature outside your borderline personality disorder. The outside world exists, you are a part of it.
Can you discuss the outside world?
If you can astral project, good for you, you are not alone.
Don’t blame science for your insecurities

Unless and until you and dleviwing and all other materialists test this truth with the scientific methodology of meditation to determine its true or false status your words are empty of science they are as hollow as the materialism you perceive as your God ! ! !

You know nothing of my God, it is up to YOU to prove what you have stated, not us.
I have no more time to waste on ignorant verbiage. This is a scientific forum, not your religious pulpit………Q7

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by quanta07 Inf Con........ You experienced God!…good for you…just maybe you should experience education, for it seems you have little. You profess a religious superstition as a ‘true’ science, YOUR religious superstitions are not science. If you want these points tested by a scientific method, you do it. Maybe you can call ‘ghost busters’. From the dawn of mankind, there have been many who played on the fears and superstition of the ignorant masses. ‘Religion is the opiate of the masses’ You wish to delve internally, stating you have found the ‘true’ science, the ‘spirit’. I say you have been duped, fooled and befuddled, and you wish to not be alone. Enjoy this life you have….live it….self analysis is fine,,, but this is pathetic, Why don’t you test this. You really need to consider professional help, before you hurt somebody or yourself. Religious extremism is not a science, it is a disease of the brain, born from despair/hopelessness/confusion. The statements you make demonstrate ignorance and an anal retentive stubbornness to recognize the difference between fact and fiction. There is a big world of nature outside your borderline personality disorder. The outside world exists, you are a part of it. Can you discuss the outside world? If you can astral project, good for you, you are not alone. Don’t blame science for your insecurities You know nothing of my God, it is up to YOU to prove what you have stated, not us. I have no more time to waste on ignorant verbiage. This is a scientific forum, not your religious pulpit………Q7

"As You Think - So You Become."

Please do me a favor and do not waste my time with your verbal diarrhea your comments are very indicative of the hate and anger simmering in the materialist doctrine. If you are a representative of your God i do not want to know him/her or it.

By your hateful angry comments it is very obvious that you need to seek professional help before you hurt somebody or yourself.

May God have mercy on your soul !

[mkirkpatrick]

As my dear brother Little self bibra,said in one of his post,we are a laboratory we can test
ourselves,the true science is in understanding ourselves,when we do this,we then understand each other,our minds and brains can experiment with ourselves to find out
who we really are,not who we think are,but who we REALLY are?

Each of us can partake in this experiment,measuring ourselves with our minds,doing
scientific experiments and practising what could become true science indeed?


regards michael.