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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-02-2007, 09:36 PM

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ic;ls loves the way you 'dive' into your depths. one day you will certainly find the 'jewel' which is ever-effulgent& you are 'aware' of Its shine day and night.regards.ls.
Brother bibra, i have found the "jewel" - experienced Its intoxicating bliss - Its "Peace that Passeth All Understanding" - and pray to be "aware" of It "continously" day and night - to become one with It - and expect that to happen before i leave this world.

I have seen the soul - It is an effulgent golden Sun - no words can explain its Glory - It must be experienced to be recognized - that is why the spiritual Masters say that the macrocosm is in the microcosm.

The Soul is a glorious golden Sun within us ! It is the "absolute" and the source of all energy in this and all other planes of consciousness !
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-02-2007, 09:56 PM

brother IC;we have bathed in the same ocean of the "effulgent one". wishing you His grace.ls.
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-03-2007, 01:29 AM

I have had but short glimpses of the ultimate re-cognition. enough to change the very way I look at everyone, the way I look at myself. both absent of permanence yet linked in eternity.

what is the difference?

we are both reflected in the moonlit pool, and will both swim again in its refreshing cool.

how have you kept these glimpses firm within your noggin? what form of inspiration has brought you the gift of seeing your eternal selves.

thankfulness to all
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-07-2007, 09:36 PM

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Science argue heatedly about specialities but ignoress its own self --that which affects it most. Scientist judge on legality of this an that, but in relation to hes own self he knows nothing about its legality or purity.

Each individual tries to use logic [science] in all human situation and relates he's self to something which bring harmony to he's situation, but because this object of relationship is not genuine, then solution is only temporary.

Mowlana Rumi describe thes situation in fihi ma fihi:
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Everyone in this world has his own interests, whether women, wealth, knowledge or something else. Each believes that his comfort and joy rests in that one pursuit. Yet when he goes in search of that object he does not find satisfaction in it and returns. After a while he declares thar he was really seeking joy and mercy; he seeks anew but is disappointed again; so he continues on and on. Mowlana
If thes person is religious he tries to prove existence of A-lah by reason and logic. But Mowlana teach disputations as useless. Thees arise out of philosopiqal argument in matters relating to self certainity, eespecially in relation of man to A-lah. Mowlana declares that thes intelectual-self, proud of its knowledge becomes self-conceinted, and thus deviate from real-self.

But Mowlana Rumi appreciate mans great potentialaty.
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Man is a mighty volume within whom all things are recorded. If the individual lets reason grow it makes him aware of his potentialities and helps him see the basic purpose of life, that is, union with all -- a state of trust. Yet at this point he may realise that reason is insufficient for handling his existential problem. he may even perceive that a better integrated state exists while recognising that reason cannot achieve it. Mowlana
The mastery of thes state of trust, like that of any other, demand practice and involve discipline, concentrate, patience and heedfulnes. One must become sensitive to he's own humanistic conscience in order to find the reason for his angst and depresion. He must concentrarte on the moment and patient remain on guard so that he's capacity for creativety and love blooms.

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The Science of Truth disappears in the Sufi's knowledge
When will mankind understand this saying?
Of true reality there is no academic proof in the world;
For it is hidden, and hidden, and hidden.
-- Mowlana Rumi
for our journey, you and we -- reza


تمام افراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می آیند و از لحاظ حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابرند, همه دارای عقل و وجدان می باشند و باید نسبت به یک دیگر با روح برادری رفتار کنند.
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-07-2007, 10:30 PM

From a mountain top, they looked back to take one last glimpse at the monastical village off in the distance, where it could hardly be seen. They stared at it fondly for a few moments as he put his arm around her. He spoke to her as they sat near a little stream where the water ran over and tinkled around the rocks. “I spent many long days in that monastery trying to unravel eternity’s deepest mysteries, but, alas, the only thing that I learned was that the secret of the universe was far beyond the sensibility of my existence. It was way beyond mere physics—it was metaphysics! Yes, all was just a mere shadow, dim and faint, of some ultimate and unknown perfection. And, for some time, I chased those flitting shadows—as just as quickly they fled away before me at my slightest touch.”

She smiled and held him close, “The realization that it was a lost cause, my dear, was the knowledge which freed you from that vain philosophical struggle! Now, for you, life will no longer be senseless, for you are free to enjoy the only reality that impinges on your six common senses—the mind being the sixth sense since it makes sense of the other five. No more chasing of faith’s phantasms for you!”

“Yes, I’m free at last,” he cheered, “free to directly touch all that is real. No more will my thoughts attempt to reach beyond the limits of my own mind; no more will I speculate on mere faith alone, no more reaching for faint shadows of dim phantoms of reflections that are so many levels removed from reality. Now, and only now, can I fully sense the one and only reality that penetrates my rationality.”

“Yes; see the clear water!” she exclaimed. “Hear it rush along. Taste its purity. Feel its coolness. Smell the freshness. That’s real! The greatest taste is of reality! Life’s sensation is the main attraction! Ah, we’re back in touch with the world now. Too long have we given up our time to excessive worry, hurry, and scurry. The senses are the only means by which life enters into us. Follow to where your senses lead you. Deny them not. We are the receivers of all that is.”

“Yes, I’m drinking-in the pleasures of creation now! In the stream I see a face I know; it’s that of yesterday’s summer wanderer—it’s my own—free again to shine on the world we own.”

“I am with you, always. Together we’ll enjoy the continual feast presented to the senses and to the soul by life, art, love, being, mind, and nature.”

So it was that they roamed at ease, savoring the balm in every breeze, drinking the sweets from all the flowers, kissing under every tree, and enjoying all of earth’s favors. They walked on, following the water’s flow to where it led them—going with it by not struggling against it—becoming it.
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-07-2007, 11:21 PM

Streams that tinkle round the rocks
Do not live on mountain tops
Of all the eternal mysteries
Little streams are not of these

To chase mere shadows dim and faint
Ultimately leads to unknown fate
How wise of you to halt in time
Before you found a fate sublime

For in the monastery you left
There are those still searching yet
Who knows what their search will find
Dim phantoms from the other side

But your now free to roam at ease
Savoring balms with every breeze
You know yourself you've done your best
Marked your grade, passed your test

And if your conscience, from time to time
Reminds you of that other time
Well..... it is not pleasant to recall
That dim and distant monastery wall

So lets just sit among the flowers
And gladly enjoy the april showers
This should buy us .......
........ a couple of hours


greg (sorry Austin .... once again, just for fun ... i enjoy your posts and your prose translates so easily to poetry ... even I don't know how it will end until the last verse ... your the author ... I am just the translator)


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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-08-2007, 12:32 AM

Mowlana Rumi

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Whenever the Secrets of perception are taught to anyone
His lips are sewn against speaking of the Consciousness

Intelligence is the shadow of objective Truth
How can the shadow vie with Sunshine
from the persian

for your journey -- reza


تمام افراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می آیند و از لحاظ حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابرند, همه دارای عقل و وجدان می باشند و باید نسبت به یک دیگر با روح برادری رفتار کنند.
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-08-2007, 04:06 PM

Greg, you are on a roll and in the zone! I guess the monk toe researcher's cabin fever was replaced by spring fever. I hope he finds all the answers during his sojourn with his nun friend outside the walls.
  
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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-08-2007, 10:49 PM

Austin .... I am with you and the Monk.

To spend the nano-second of time allocated to us in this dim universe in an endless search for a cause and effect, never to take time out, is possibly the ultimate sin.

Apart from which, answers are not always found where you look.

A certain Australian, whom I won't name, had a recurring dream, of a street corner in an unknown city which he could not identify. On this street corner, the dream foretold, an unbelievable treasure awaited could the Ozzie but locate the corner.

So saying goodbye to friends and family, and amidst great lamentation, this young Ozzie set off on a journey, more an aimless march, which took five years. Late one night in the year 1977 in a city called Baghdad, unable to find accomodation and very sick with malaria (truly) desperate and exhausted he laid down on a corner at the junction of two dark alleys, and finally fell asleep. But not for long. He was very roughly awoken by a police patrol, and dragged back to a watch house, were he was beaten severely with a bastinado (a cane stick).

The beating came first, then the questioning. Unable to provide coherent answers due to the malaria, exhaustion and the first beating, further beatings followed until the poor young ozzie blurted out all about his dream and the treasure.

This provided much amusement to the guards and their chief and they laughed loud and long. To the delusional ozzie it appeared as tho he was in hell. The chief manhandled the ozzie to his desk and told him he was a fool. The chief went on to say that he himself had had similar dreams involving a garden and a certain tree which bore peculiar fruit. He described the tree in detail, underneath this tree was a fantastic treasure but he had never been so foolish as to risk all to follow a dream.

The ozzie, sick and sore, was sent on his way and told not to sleep on street corners again. He was told to keep going. This he did, he kept going and going and he went with a will and he never stopped until he arrived back home.

Ignoring the cries of joy and excitement at his arrival after five years, he brushed past his family and went out the back into his mother's garden, in the middle of which was a certain mango tree, just as the Chief of the Bagdad Patrol had described it. The rest, of course, is history.

But the moral .... well .... A man travels the whole world over in search of what he needs, and returns home to find it.

greg

(Aresteh .... my apologys to Al-Nasafi for the adaptation, certain modern aspects of this story are mine and not his)


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Re: Will science ever recognize enlightnement? - 04-08-2007, 11:37 PM

Hellos Graybeard --

Your story is a oral sufi story told traditional here in Iran an Iraq. The moral is as you have say.

Man searches everywhere outside he's self to find the answer -- but only when at last he looks in his own heart does he find it. There, and no where else.


for yor journey -- reza


تمام افراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می آیند و از لحاظ حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابرند, همه دارای عقل و وجدان می باشند و باید نسبت به یک دیگر با روح برادری رفتار کنند.
  
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