[Guille]

Originally Posted by kennap whos to say that the soul is sepearte from the physical world, just because our instruments havent detected it dosent mean that we arent just swimming in a homogenous sea of soul. eveidently it changes form.

I don't say that you have no credibility, but to say something exist, or defending something's existence, implies demostrating it, at least phylosofically.

[enton]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao is there someone who wants to live forever? That is to be constantly in need of food, shelter, and warm. A life that is without all these needs, can it still be called living?

1 Corinthians 6:13 says " Meats for the belly and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them..."

AND

Revelations 7:16 says " They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."

I do desire a life like what is described of the above verses of the Bible.

[mkirkpatrick]

Who wants to live forever,well I do,for one,the question though is rather odd,for it suggests that You have a choice!Which of course you do not,in a little while
from now even from the great cathedrals of acdemia ,in the branches of psych-
ology,will come the complete acceptance of the human-soul and that will include
the continuity of life.,already there are some universities that touch on para-psycholgy,within the next 25 years this subject will be in the classroom!
We are all inter-connected and inter-linked with one another,whether we know it or not,energy units of consciousness,linked and within the mind of the one,
Of which Nought can be said.!Existing is the problem,when you start to live really live,the question becomes redundant.Life has no beginning and no ending,
what did begin in man was self-awareness,and the ability to ask who am I?
and to know,that you know!


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Michael,

Actually we don't exist or live forever. I know mass can't be destroyed, but matter can. So the molecules of which we are made can be destroyed into separate atoms. And the atoms can be desryoed into separate electrons, neutrons and protons. And protons decay. So see, our bodies will stop existing. Also, another important part of us will stop existing if we stop living, it is our mind.

By the way, if a human being is asked if he wants to live forever, s/he doesn't have the mental ability to really decide upon the question. They would be like when small children are asked in divorcement with who they want to stay.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Guille Michael, Actually we don't exist or live forever. I know mass can't be destroyed, but matter can. So the molecules of which we are made can be destroyed into separate atoms. And the atoms can be desryoed into separate electrons, neutrons and protons. And protons decay. So see, our bodies will stop existing. Also, another important part of us will stop existing if we stop living, it is our mind. By the way, if a human being is asked if he wants to live forever, s/he doesn't have the mental ability to really decide upon the question. They would be like when small children are asked in divorcement with who they want to stay.

You are mistaken my friend,and also correct to a point,you are correct when you say
matter (physical body) can be destroyed,but mistaken about the inner being,which is not
subject to the physical laws of the universe,because the inner you,transcends the illusary
time and space projection,and exists eternally within the causeless cause?

regards michael

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick You are mistaken my friend,and also correct to a point,you are correct when you say matter (physical body) can be destroyed,but mistaken about the inner being,which is not subject to the physical laws of the universe,because the inner you,transcends the illusary time and space projection,and exists eternally within the causeless cause? regards michael

Give an argument of some sort to explain why you think time and space are illusary projections. Plus, what is there of us which stays there? Nothing. We've invented eternity and causation (two of the fundamental terms in your beliefs) just because we fear the reality: that the universe doesn't need us nor does it depend on us, we are only subjects the situation, and the situation is not caused; it becomes just by casuality (not causality!) and in fact it never is, for the only events--that is, changes--are realised, staticity is the illusion of the dionysian (I'm eferencing Nietsche here).

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Guille Give an argument of some sort to explain why you think time and space are illusary projections. Plus, what is there of us which stays there? Nothing. We've invented eternity and causation (two of the fundamental terms in your beliefs) just because we fear the reality: that the universe doesn't need us nor does it depend on us, we are only subjects the situation, and the situation is not caused; it becomes just by casuality (not causality!) and in fact it never is, for the only events--that is, changes--are realised, staticity is the illusion of the dionysian (I'm eferencing Nietsche here).

Surely amigo,when you talk of inventing,it is us who invented words like time and space,
when it should be quite obvious to any real seeker,that both ideas are absurd!Timeless
and spaceless maybe.
It is not a fear of reality,far from it,it is about embracing it,something that prehaps you
are afraid to do?
You are right when you say the universe does not need us or depend on us,why should it
need that which is the very embodiment of its own expression?

You do not need to argue my friend,leave that to the politicians,they get paid for it,we or
I do not!Just open your mind,and ask it the question,is the eternal real?I am sure that
you will recieve an affirmative reply.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

As I stated in a previous post here,the answer to the question of this thread,implies a choice,in truth we have no choice,we are all eternal beings,and have all the time in the
world to work through the imagined problems that may arise from this realization?


regards michael.

[michellemfry]

Maybe the question could be What wants to live forever, and the largest mass in the solar system, by example alone has gone ahead of us all to bust into that place.