The Legend Of Bodhisattva Walt

[not2too]

A small teaching story...

We are fictitious characters which inhabit a fictitious universe. God, the One and Only, the Source…let's call him Uncle Walt (I am giving the Source a male name only so I can extend a metaphor, but I am going to refer to Uncle Walt as he/she for the rest of this little story. Adds another dimension to the legend as well.)…got tired of having dinner alone and didn't have anything to watch at the movies…so here WE are. We are all made of Uncle Walt Stuff and Uncle Walt Imagination…actually, we are all made of Uncle Walt…but Uncle Walt builds one small detail into this plan…forgetfulness…which makes it all the more fun for him/her and LOADS of fun for us. WE think we're ACTUALLY the characters that Uncle Walt has us playing. And, of course, this causes all sorts of difficulties for poor us…but, of course, more fun for Uncle Walt. Cosmic Fun. In putting him/herself on, uncle Walt has played the Cosmic Joke on his/her creations. BUT…of course, WE don't REALLY exist, we're fictions, illusions, so in the end nobody REALLY gets hurt…

And, as an added bonus, WE…safely inside our reality bubble…are conscious and to some extent intelligent, in our own endearing fictitious way. We can accomplish astonishing intellectual feats, invent physics, metaphysics, mathematics, and all manner of other arcane disciplines; analyze and dissect our world…reverse engineer Disneyland…

Some of us…Uncle Walt in disguise…can see through all of this…wake up from the dreamstate we are in…simply drop our character masks…and survey all that we have conjured up AS UNCLE WALT. The Uncle Walt sez to him/herself, "Shame on you Walt! Just look at all the B.S. you're putting your poor creations through…oops!...forgot…its only ME! That's getting hurt. What should I do, what should I do? End this game of make-believe? Why NO! That would end the fun. Instead, I think I'll just pop back into the character I just woke up from…but remember who I REALLY AM this time, and go around to all the others and wake them up to.

And so…Bodhisattva Walt was born...and wanders the world tirelessly to this day…doing his/her thing…knowing full well that he/she will never get around to everybody…

[Mohan.C]

A small teaching story...

We are fictitious characters which inhabit a fictitious universe. God, the One and Only, the Source…let's call him Uncle Walt (I am giving the Source a male name only so I can extend a metaphor, but I am going to refer to Uncle Walt as he/she for the rest of this little story. Adds another dimension to the legend as well.)…got tired of having dinner alone and didn't have anything to watch at the movies…so here WE are. We are all made of Uncle Walt Stuff and Uncle Walt Imagination…actually, we are all made of Uncle Walt…but Uncle Walt builds one small detail into this plan…forgetfulness…which makes it all the more fun for him/her and LOADS of fun for us. WE think we're ACTUALLY the characters that Uncle Walt has us playing. And, of course, this causes all sorts of difficulties for poor us…but, of course, more fun for Uncle Walt. Cosmic Fun. In putting him/herself on, uncle Walt has played the Cosmic Joke on his/her creations. BUT…of course, WE don't REALLY exist, we're fictions, illusions, so in the end nobody REALLY gets hurt…

And, as an added bonus, WE…safely inside our reality bubble…are conscious and to some extent intelligent, in our own endearing fictitious way. We can accomplish astonishing intellectual feats, invent physics, metaphysics, mathematics, and all manner of other arcane disciplines; analyze and dissect our world…reverse engineer Disneyland…

Some of us…Uncle Walt in disguise…can see through all of this…wake up from the dreamstate we are in…simply drop our character masks…and survey all that we have conjured up AS UNCLE WALT. The Uncle Walt sez to him/herself, "Shame on you Walt! Just look at all the B.S. you're putting your poor creations through…oops!...forgot…its only ME! That's getting hurt. What should I do, what should I do? End this game of make-believe? Why NO! That would end the fun. Instead, I think I'll just pop back into the character I just woke up from…but remember who I REALLY AM this time, and go around to all the others and wake them up to.

And so…Bodhisattva Walt was born...and wanders the world tirelessly to this day…doing his/her thing…knowing full well that he/she will never get around to everybody…

not2too,
If wat u say is relly true. Then i would say let him play his game but if he is playing a game then he should have made us wooden puppets not intelligent beings. There was no need for a brain either but may the uncle walt just put it there to add some weight!!!!!

[not2too]

not2too,
If wat u say is relly true. Then i would say let him play his game but if he is playing a game then he should have made us wooden puppets not intelligent beings. There was no need for a brain either but may the uncle walt just put it there to add some weight!!!!!

But to really play a game, particularly the infinite game, you need a worthy opponent...a creditable player...one who truly feels his/her own intelligence and apparent freedom. A wooden puppet just wouldn't do. Or...maybe...a wooden puppet would work. Check out THE SECRET LIFE OF PUPPETS by Victoria Nelson for another take on how humans create characters and make machines in their own image, much as we have been created in Uncle Walt's.

Further,
not2too

[Profpat]

I don't know not2too, it sounds like uncle Walt is a bit psychotic with multiple personality disorders.

I do believe we are all part of God, but instilled with individual freedom. This freedom is displayed in the degree of freedom physicists are aware of and the asymptotic freedom of the quarks in the proton and our own limited freedom that you and I enjoy.

At least thats what I think.

Best to you,

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

An interesting idea not2too,one that I am most familiar with,it comes as a great shock and sadness to us all,that we find all that we thought was sound and true now appears unreal.

Only that which is unseen and unknown is real?



regards michael.

[dleviwing]

I think you have it in reverse. WE CREATED UNCLE WALT; just ask the other monkeys in the world.

[not2too]

I don't know not2too, it sounds like uncle Walt is a bit psychotic with multiple personality disorders.

I do believe we are all part of God, but instilled with individual freedom. This freedom is displayed in the degree of freedom physicists are aware of and the asymptotic freedom of the quarks in the proton and our own limited freedom that you and I enjoy.

At least thats what I think.

Best to you,

Pat

Pat and all...

Uncle Walt psychotic! With multiple personality disorder! What a concept. That REALLY WOULD be the great Cosmic Joke. But seriously…I'm going to refer you to a couple of presentations of this material that are much more detailed than my little tall tale. These presentations provide a context for, and give some idea about the tradition from which, my Disneyland take on all this arises.

The first is an excerpt from an interview with Ken Wilber from Pathways Magazine, which may be found at…
http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/mis...wa_titoat.cfm/
…which includes the following exchange:

Ken Wilber: Here you are, the One and Only, the Alone and the Infinite. What are you going to do next? You bathe in your own glory for all eternity, you bask in your own delight for ages upon ages, and then what? Sooner or later, you might decide that it would be fun -- just fun -- to pretend that you were not you. I mean, what else are you going to do? What else can you do?

Pathways: Manifest a world.

Ken Wilber: Don’t you think? But then it starts to get interesting. When I was a child, I used to try to play checkers with myself. You ever tried that?

Pathways: Yes, I remember doing something like that.

Ken Wilber: Does it work?

Pathways: Not exactly, because I always knew what my “opponent’s” move was going to be. I was playing both sides, so I couldn’t “surprise” myself. I always knew what I was going to do on both sides, so it wasn’t much of a game. You need somebody “else” to play the game.

Ken Wilber: Yes, exactly, that’s the problem. You need an “other.” So if you are the only Being in all existence, and you want to play -- you want to play any sort of game -- you have to take the role of the other, and then forget that you are playing both sides. Otherwise the game is no fun, as you say. You have to pretend you are the other player with such conviction that you forget that you are playing all the roles. If you don’t forget, then you got no game, it’s just no fun.

Pathways: So if you want to play -- I think the Eastern term is lila -- then you have to forget who you are. Amnesis.

Ken Wilber: Yes, I think so. And that is exactly the core of the answer given by the mystics the world over. If you are the One, and -- out of sheer exuberance, plenitude, superabundance -- you want to play, to rejoice, to have fun, then you must first, manifest the Many, and then second, forget it is you who are the Many. Otherwise, no game. Manifestation, incarnation, is the great Game of the One playing at being the Many, for the sheer sport and fun of it.

The second excerpt, which may be found at…
http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/
…is from A Course In Consciousness by Stanley Sobottka, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Virginia, which deals extensively with quantum theory and consciousness. This excerpt addresses briefly our ordinary conception of free will.

We come now to the paradox of the paradoxical tangled hierarchy (Section 7.5). The ego is the belief that it is free to choose, but it is not. The unconditioned self is freedom itself, but it is not a separate entity that can choose. Remember from Section 5.11 that the belief in free will depends on a perceived separation or dualism between a controller and a controlled. Within the unconditioned self there is no separation or isolation--there is no entity--so there is no dualism. Hence, in the state of pure, or primary, awareness, there is no illusion of free will .

The experience of true freedom comes from the unconditioned self, whereas what we think of as free will comes from the noncreative, conditioned, imaginary ego. Whenever we experience pure freedom, pure creativity, or pure originality, it is a result of a momentary disidentification from the conditioned ego, permitting the experience of the freedom of the unconditioned self to be revealed. This is true freedom, creativity, and originality, not the mechanical workings of the conditioned, deterministic brain. During these moments, there is no individual “I”. When reidentification occurs, the conditioned “I” reappears and then takes credit for being free, creative, and original!

Question: Have you ever experienced total freedom, even for an instant? Did you observe the freedom at the time? Or, did you think so only after it had already passed?

Exploration of the above links will open this up a lot more than these brief excerpts or my little story can convey.

Best,
Not2too

[not2too]

I think you have it in reverse. WE CREATED UNCLE WALT; just ask the other monkeys in the world.

Well, if WE CREATED UNCLE WALT and Uncle Walt is, indeed, psychotic with multiple personality disorder as Pat suggests, the I think we need to do a SERIOUS RE-WRITE of this whole movie. At this point it looks like its going to end badly. (See what happens when the REAL writers go on strike...the monkeys go on typing away for eons...hoping for a random masterpiece.)


Best,
not2too

[not2too]

An interesting idea not2too,one that I am most familiar with,it comes as a great shock and sadness to us all,that we find all that we thought was sound and true now appears unreal.

Only that which is unseen and unknown is real?



regards michael.

You said it best Michael...in your Noumena thread...
"And so there comes a dawning that we are all that IS,and of ourselves are nothing that we are a pattern within the tapestry of the master Weaver!"

Best,
not2too

[Profpat]

Hi not2too;

Rather then reading let me relate my own personal experience when I tranced myself.

I was no longer Pat. I was only aware. Aware that our reality is illusion. BUT, and this is the important part it was MY illusion and I could shape any way I CHOSE.

So if you want to give your free will to Uncle Walt go ahead that is YOUR CHOICE.

As for ME, free will is GOD'S gift to all of us, to do with what you will.

This experience was more real than any reality or any illusory books.

Best to you not2too,

Pat