Who else thinks this way ?

[Profpat]

Pat.
After thinking about what you said, I have an additional question.

If your self is always living in the past, how on earth would one make any progress?

My physical self, my body, lives in the past. My spirit , the I AM, lives in the HERE and NOW. My body follows and experiences it only AFTER it has occurred in the HERE and NOW. IT creates the illusion for my body to experience.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Try having an entanglement with an NDE or as I call it an IDE or in death experience. Its like the boundaries between past, present and future break down and all blur together. Although it does leave one without a fear of death, it took me about five years to get back to any stable realization of time because in the experience there is no sense of time.

Hi Mikal;

I tranced myself once into the near void where all there was, was awareness. An awareness that all this reality, including time is an illusion, though the illusion is real.

Best to all,

Pat

[Mikal]

Hi Mikal;

I tranced myself once into the near void where all there was, was awareness. An awareness that all this reality, including time is an illusion, though the illusion is real.

Best to all,

Pat

Pat...I could not agree with you more..I call this void hyper-awareness and believe it or not I still struggle with following time or even wearing a watch.

[Profpat]

Pat...I could not agree with you more..I call this void hyper-awareness and believe it or not I still struggle with following time or even wearing a watch.

Hi Mikal:

My experience changed my perspective on reality and time also. I still wear a watch and set an alarm, if I need to be awaken. I even still study this illusion, because I myself, Pat, is part of it. And as I wrote I believe this illusion to be real, relatively speaking that is, not absolutely.

Best,

Pat

[everymansmedium]

....that the "past: and the :future: are continually regenerated within a never-ending Now, Individually and Collectively.

And further, if you do believe this, how one can use this way of thinking in practical life.

BTW-Just joined. Great forum !

Hello Infinitethoughts:
I became aware of the point of creation, (the infinite now) in 1970 shortly after an absolute personal experience, that words can not do justice. Words are but said and heard and amount to no more than hearsay. But one who has had an absolute experience always returns with a new way to look at TIME. I also returned with a new way to look at space.

I was pondering a new solution to the dilemma of free will as to the theory of determinism. I saw that it was survival that is being calculated. One must have the freedom to calculate how best to achieve survival. Then to look at survival, all across the life platform it is. This is not survival this is a constant it is always the same, "to continue". This is to extend life itself further into time. This is the constant CONTINUE. We have our imagination to have time mutable in our mind while we decide on the calculation of continue. Then we act in that now moment of creation. It is then done never to be changed what is created can not be uncreated. It can be covered and hidden, or falsified, but it can never be uncreated.

Then I realized that because it is a constant then can it be said that all that lives is the result of a force, because it is apparent it is animate. It is also constant it must continue to extend into time.
What force might this be that is responsible for all that lives. It is TIME THAT IS THE CREATOR AND THE CREATED. From the observer that we know can cause entanglement. From the observer we know where is the center of this universe, for the observer is always at the center of the universe. To observe the universe is to create the universe. The time begins with the observer. Then that time that is created in turn creates space.

You can see that times creates space all that is needed is to look and you will see it. 2 objects can not occupy the same space. Yet when time is created then also is there new space to put the objects that are now only separated by time as they can now exist in the same space, separated only by the time that created this new space. You can also see this in the natural progression of dimensions. A line has an infinite number of points. A plane has an infinite number of lines. A volume has an infinite number of planes. A volume in time has an infinite number of volumes. In the case of our universe in time, the infinite number of volumes is an infinite number of universes. Now also the 4 Th dimension of time is also a dynamic dimension. It is infinitely increasing. This means the number of universes is forever increasing.

Now when you consider that time does not flow in a smooth flow. It is a series of plank length ticks of the universal clock. This means that there is no smooth flow of MOVEMENT. It is likely that there is no movement at all. There is just a continuos creation of universes at every plankt tick. Each universe is a bit changed from the last relative to the positioning of the matter that we see as movement. Smile you are on candid camera. The divine recorded holograph. Complete with smellavision, and taste, sensation.
I hope you are not a strong believer in privacy.

I will be starting a new thread with my TOE in a couple of weeks. When I am satisfied with the coherency of it all. I will explain why the absolute experience always involves a new way to see time. I will also explain why when the veil is lifted by the use of the tree of knowledge, all concept of time is broken. For to exist in the true plane is to experience 3 Dimensional time. This is the rhelm of spirit where we truly live, also where the sole exists. The image of the sole in life is DNA. The book of life. The holy memory. This is our strand of space that is formatted by the events in time that was our LIVES.

Do not expect this thought to progress. It can not because it is non-deterministic. A non deterministic idea can never be accepted within a capital society. For to accept one must admit to an inability of science to know of our universe. Any that do this will terminate there own existence in the capital market place.

Some things can be known. Some things can not. One day it will be possible to get backing even if you believe that some things can not be known. You might even discover that when you give up to non-determinism you may discover that there are things that are at your fingertips that you NEVER DID BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD KNOW.

I am not a capitalist. I will not lose my funding if I believe in a non deterministic universe.
I survive on my social security check. Hopefully that will last as long as I do.

John EMM

http://Unit-Unity-Community.com

[Mikal]

Pat...the IDE experience destructures not just one's perspective on reality but also one's world view and its most beneficial advantage comes when one stabilizes the experience to realize they have acquired a greater understanding of just how reality works and it stabilizes a solid relationship to the physical body.

[infinitethoughts]

Do not expect this thought to progress. It can not because it is non-deterministic. A non deterministic idea can never be accepted within a capital society. For to accept one must admit to an inability of science to know of our universe. Any that do this will terminate there own existence in the capital market place.

Some things can be known. Some things can not. One day it will be possible to get backing even if you believe that some things can not be known. You might even discover that when you give up to non-determinism you may discover that there are things that are at your fingertips that you NEVER DID BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD KNOW.

I am not a capitalist. I will not lose my funding if I believe in a non deterministic universe.
I survive on my social security check. Hopefully that will last as long as I do.

John EMM

http://Unit-Unity-Community.com

Great explanation, John.

Interesting, your points on why this thought will not continue.

I think it will continue. The reason why is, it's stronger then the Current status quo.

Linear time is too limiting for our current evolution. But I do see your point about Capitalism. Its a force to be reckoned with.

Should be interesting to see "who" wins.


-Martin.

[infinitethoughts]

My physical self, my body, lives in the past. My spirit , the I AM, lives in the HERE and NOW. My body follows and experiences it only AFTER it has occurred in the HERE and NOW. IT creates the illusion for my body to experience.

Best,

Pat

My counter argument would be, that would you not agree that it's possible to "link up" your physical self with your I AM?

[labelwench]

Some things can be known. Some things can not. One day it will be possible to get backing even if you believe that some things can not be known. You might even discover that when you give up to non-determinism you may discover that there are things that are at your fingertips that you NEVER DID BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD KNOW.

Originally posted by everymansmedium

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the IDE experience destructures not just one's perspective on reality but also one's world view and its most beneficial advantage comes when one stabilizes the experience to realize they have acquired a greater understanding of just how reality works and it stabilizes a solid relationship to the physical body.

Originally posted by Mikal

The many paths by which people arrive at an appreciation of 'now' has always been of interest to me.

My horses have perhaps taught me more than any other medium when it comes to an understanding of 'now', because they truly do 'live in the moment' and give their undivided attention unto it.