[JAK]

Originally Posted by melanie ... LIFE is it's own intelligence. ...

This is intriguing. If you consider a plant that is in harmony with its environment - it is fed and watered regularly, and no harsh conditions tend to threaten it, then is this the "intelligence" you speak of?

[mkirkpatrick]

We are Life,expressed as consciousness and "appearing" as many,and as we all know
appearances can be very deceptive!

While we look out with these mortal physical eyes we are tricked by the very senses
we think we need and surely rely on.Relativity however extends outwards beyond this
physical plane and on into the astral/etheric planes of existence and beyond them still
into the higher mental planes of consciousness,many souls there are still convinced that
there are many,so realizing this profound reality is far different than saying you know
it to be so!


LIFE IS an ocean we experience via self=awareness,we witness the majesty of it awe inspiring beauty,then DIE,and we are no more,other than that darkened FLAME which
is LIFE ITSELF.?


regards michael.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by JAK This is intriguing. If you consider a plant that is in harmony with its environment - it is fed and watered regularly, and no harsh conditions tend to threaten it, then is this the "intelligence" you speak of?

Yes it is, thank-you jak.

For a minute i thought i was wasting my time on this one, thanks for showing some interest.

Thank you too michael i'm glad there is someone else around here that understands what i'm so lamely trying to put into words.

Anyway jak, i love your simplistic reply to my thread, that's it .. it is that simple,
Intelligence just IS.....it expresses as myriad of form and features, the seeds of creation, are already conceived.

The instructions are in the seed all complete.
The creations grow all by themselves, all the data is stored in the seed.
Nature knows what to do, and yet there is no-thing to know how.
Consciousness just witnesses it all, quite amazing really.

I can talk some more about this later. When i collect some more data from my data bank. see ya later gater.

thanks and bbl

melanie.

[Dihydrogen Monoxide]

Well actually it is an accident that people tend toward dualism or monism. Threeism is my motto!

Dualism is an association of things. A mixed bag of assertion. Grammar, logic, communication require at least three things. Subject verb object. Cause, means, effect. Sender, transmission medium, receiver. Dualist notions have no separation, yet they are claimed different. That separation by habit implodes but never goes away. Like ball bearings touching. They touch but remain separate. Oneness is impossible without three for there is no concept of a working system nor a work for it to do at dualism.

Three elements must share a feature called the context. If one does not match the other two then there must be a network between contexts. If all three do not match, no work can be accomplished.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Dihydrogen Monoxide Well actually it is an accident that people tend toward dualism or monism. Threeism is my motto! Dualism is an association of things. A mixed bag of assertion. Grammar, logic, communication require at least three things. Subject verb object. Cause, means, effect. Sender, transmission medium, receiver. Dualist notions have no separation, yet they are claimed different. That separation by habit implodes but never goes away. Like ball bearings touching. They touch but remain separate. Oneness is impossible without three for there is no concept of a working system nor a work for it to do at dualism. Three elements must share a feature called the context. If one does not match the other two then there must be a network between contexts. If all three do not match, no work can be accomplished.

Many thanks for your interest DM..

You are quite right in your assessment of association, 'things' are known by association via our senses, 'arising' as sensed in the instant and instantly known,
[one with the knowing]
CONSCIOUSNESS BEING ... ''Appearing'' AS 'us' in matter and form.

There are three realms of "Consciousness" or Being.
The Gross, Subtle and Casual.

The Gross Realm or the territory of the ego. ...child
The Subtle Realm, that of Spirit and Matter. ... mother
The Casual is of Divine/Universal. .... father

Those realms are concepts of reality.
All is Consciousness/Awareness or Mind.
Relative is Conceptual.
Absolute Mind ....No Concept in Mind... IT is totally pure.

The world of 'conceptual phenomena' is only an 'appearance'

Consciousness/Awareness is all encompassing, and pervades ALL Three of these conceptual aspects.

melanie.


Physical concepts
are free creations of the human mind,
and are not, however it may seem,
uniquely determined by the external world.
~ Einstein ~

All such notions as causation,
succession, atoms, primary elements...
are all figments of the imagination
and manifestations of the mind.
~ Buddha ~


All happenings only ever 'appear' in the NOW.
Any thing else is purely illusion.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by JAK This is intriguing. If you consider a plant that is in harmony with its environment - it is fed and watered regularly, and no harsh conditions tend to threaten it, then is this the "intelligence" you speak of?

There are no separate intelligences.
Just different ways of perceiving and expressing it.
Some SEE with spiritual eyes.
Some SEE with intellectual eyes.
Both one and the same. IN Reality.
Every-thing is interconnected to every-thing else.
Many different aspects of the whole.
Division is the illusion.


As all things are equally indwelt by intelligence,
so at all times in every way the uncreated is all, the self of all.
we use the expression 'all things'
it is only a figure of speech,
for only infinite consciousness or Brahman exists.
Just as there is no division between a bracelet and gold,
there is no division between the universe
and the infinite consciousness.
The latter alone is the universe:
the universe as such is not infinite consciousness,
just as the bracelet is made of gold but gold is not made of bracelet.

melanie.

[Mohan.C]

Originally Posted by melanie There are 200-400 billion stars in our galaxy.... Some stars shine brighter than others. LIFE has got nothing to do with being intelligent. LIFE is it's own intelligence. Nobody in the driver seat .. so to speak. It's ok if you don't understand my my posts mohan c I don't understand many of the posts written on this forum either, .. So no problem there i just stay away.. i don't go there, if you know what i mean

Really then why do some stars shine brighter.
I think you are telling me to stay out of what I don't understand, meaning I think i'm not welcome in this thread. No problem.

Anyway just one more thing no-thing may exist. I which case it is no-thing. Which means it does not exist. Its a paradox its a contradiction to itself. If we arrive at a solution which ends up as 2=3. Then it means the result is wrong. Not 2=3.
When there is everything to live for, it really is better to ignore the "nothing". Since it does'nt even exist there is nothing to ignore also. It is nothing.

If life is not to live but to just be then there is no meaning in relationship, no meaning to human emotions, no meaning to life itself, everything is nullified which means the essence of life is gone. Just stay like a stone. Don't talk to a person he is the same as you, he knows everything that you can probably know. No room for improvement no room for growth no room for width to widen a perspective. We are stuck inside a void it doesn't even have walls to make a hole and escape because it is nothing.
Thank you very much for listening. Won't bother you again.

[JAK]

Originally Posted by melanie There are no separate intelligences. Just different ways of perceiving and expressing it. Some SEE with spiritual eyes. Some SEE with intellectual eyes. Both one and the same. IN Reality. Every-thing is interconnected to every-thing else. Many different aspects of the whole. Division is the illusion. As all things are equally indwelt by intelligence, so at all times in every way the uncreated is all, the self of all. we use the expression 'all things' it is only a figure of speech, for only infinite consciousness or Brahman exists. Just as there is no division between a bracelet and gold, there is no division between the universe and the infinite consciousness. The latter alone is the universe: the universe as such is not infinite consciousness, just as the bracelet is made of gold but gold is not made of bracelet. melanie.

Melanie, your words seem to extinguish separateness, yet each word is separated by a space and by meaning. You seem to be leaning heavily toward MJA's theory of "=". If this is true, then in a universe without division, without separation, where does motion fit in? How is happy different from sad? How is a bird in flight different from a flower in bloom? And if there is no separation, why should we bother separating them by name?

The resolution of this quandary is important for my insight into you, Mohan.C's perplexity, as well as the universe.

Thank you.

[Mohan.C]

Melanie this is an amazing topic to discuss. It really is.
If I offended you with my ideas then I'm really sorry.
Please don't close such a beautiful idea and a thread.
I hope this thread will officially open now. really looking forward to the next posts............

[Dihydrogen Monoxide]

JAK, that is the nature of a monism based on running away from dualism: Spontaneous combustion.

She'll be back I hope since she has much to offer.

In any case, this no-thing is the distance between two points, the velocity defined by time and space, the need for a plane to get from NY to LA.

I suggest that in fact distance as well as velocity are what buddhism calls the "unphysical".

The mistake is that Western Materialists do not give distance and velocity their due, while Eastern Mystics suggest they are from a different planet.

Eastern Mystics are just dealing with the ultimate extreme of distance, velocity, and medium while Western Materialists want proof of what they already see.