What came first: The Consciousness or the Matter?

[austintorn@aol.com]

All comes from matter.

The brain and its consciousness evolved together, over a heck of a lot of years.

BECOMING

We humans mirror and recapitulate
All of evolution while growing in our mother’s womb,
Racing through the stages in which life evolved.

During this nine months, and even beyond that,
We move from mindlessness to shadowy awareness
To consciousness of the world around us
Onto consciousness of the self
And then even to becoming conscious
Of consciousness itself.

For the first two and one-half years of life,
The inexplicable holistic world
Is experienced less and less holistically
As the child discovers the
Bounds of discrete objects.

The holistic right brain remains, of course,
For us to take in the overall view,
While the logical left brain is also there to recognize
The detailed relationships between objects.

As such, so goes the universe,
Since we are formed in its image.

So, then, this gives us a clue
To the nature of the universe.

Seeing that the brain is
Divided into two hemispheres,
Each with their own
Characteristic mode of thought,
That that can communicate with each other—
Means that we are looking very deeply
Into the way that reality itself is constructed.

These two complimentary aspects
To the cosmos are thus absolutely essential,
One being of the whole:
The apparently indivisible,
Continuous fluid entity
[Although discrete at unnoticeable levels],
The other being the interrelationships of the parts.

Each interpretation cannot appear
At exactly the same time,
But the Yin ever gives way to Yang
And ever then back to Yin, and so on,
The rounded life of the mind
Thus continuing to fully roll
As the cycle of this symmetry
Turns and returns;
If not, one either gets totally lost
In the details or prematurely halts
After but an apparent whole.

The holistic right brain mode is unfocused,
As we see in some people
Who are unconcerned with details,
It always building the scene in parallel
To form a single entity;
Whereas, the focused left side of brain
Isolates a target of interest and tracks it
And its derivatives sequentially and serially.

Yet, the two sides of the overall brain
Are connected to each other
And so the speed of the juggling act
Can meld them together
Into a complete balance like that
Portrayed by the revolving Yin-Yang symbol,
Each ever receding and giving rise to the other

Such does the universe go both ways, too,
Its separate parts implicated
With everything else in the whole.

During conscious observation,
The ‘hereness’ and ‘nowness’
Of reality crystalizes and remains,
We establishing what that reality is to some extent.

We define and refine the nature of reality
That leads to the mind’s outlook.
Counterintuitive? Cyclical?
Yes, but it is the universe in dialog with itself;
The wave functions, and yet the function waves.

The universe supplies the means of its own creation,
Its possibilities supplying the avenues
And the probability and workability
That carve out the paths leading to success.

So, here we are, then and now,
The rains of change falling everywhere,
The streams being carved out,
The water rising back up to the sky,
The rain then falling everywhere,
The streams recarving and meandering
Toward more meaning and so on.

[melanie]

All comes from matter.

The brain and its consciousness evolved together, over a heck of a lot of years.

Apparently so, that means there is only ONE of us here, and the nature of that reality can never be known? for one very good reason.
Paradoxically, it is known, as it is self evident, but it is not known by us.....what does that tell us about us Austin?

Evolution appears to take time, although the time is only ever now, is it not?

''things are changing, but nothing changes, and still there are changes....''

[austintorn@aol.com]

If not for light having a speed limit, everything might happen all at once.

[melanie]

Because of eye and forms, visual consciousness arises; contact is the conjunction of the three.

Because of ear and sounds, arises auditory consciousness;
because of nose and odours, arises olfactory consciousness;
because of tongue and sapids, arises gustatory consciousness;
because of body and tangibles, arises tactile consciousness;
because of mind and mental objects, arises mind-consciousness.

The conjuction of these three is contact.

When awareness knows sensation consciousness is born.

Awareness is the light of consciousness.

Austin, does this mean that electrons, atoms, and photons are conscious?

[melanie]

All comes from matter.

The brain and its consciousness evolved together, over a heck of a lot of years.

Do you think the human brain, as opposed to an animal's brain is the apex of evolution?
And does latent infinite potentialities lie within it?

[melanie]

The quantum jitterbugs arose, as they ever do, since nonexistence can't't be, the fluctuations creating particles and antiparticles that eventually cancel back to zilch; so, in a way, all is somewhat duringly existing now is an expression of nothing, or at least of Nothing's impossibility.

You could still say that all is for and of naught, as it is involved in the sense that it is perfectly unstable.

And so are the simple things emitted not so stable, for simple things never are, and so they go through phase changes and recombinations, and so forth, onto and unto the more complex.

Human machine is very simple in it's beginning but very complex in it's end.
Ordinary machines, on the other hand, are complex in the beginning but very simple in the end.
The force of a finger is sufficient to operate even a most gigantic machine.

You could still say that all is for and of naught, as it is involved in the sense that it is perfectly unstable.

I think it's unstable because it is addicted to it's senses.

[austintorn@aol.com]

No, unless it is a zillionth of a degree, which wouldn't do anything.

[melanie]

Austin, is an anti-particle a boson?

[austintorn@aol.com]

Do you think the human brain, as opposed to an animal's brain is the apex of evolution?
And does latent infinite potentialities lie within it?

The common house cat is the apex of evolution.

Actually, we are the "apes" of evolution.

[melanie]

No, unless it is a zillionth of a degree, which wouldn't do anything.

What about consciousness, does latent infinite potentialities lie within it?